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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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with gene and chris we're joined this

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week by our old friend greg bishop

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and he's author of a new book called it

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defies language

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essays on ufos and other weirdness and

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by the way the illustrations

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i guess cartoon style illustrations by

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red pill junkie he should be working for

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dc comics i think

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he should be working for lots of people

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in fact the thing is that

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um this is the first book he's ever done

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and designed he showed me some

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caricatures he did of nick and i and a

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few other people i said

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this was like in what something like

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september of last year and i said do you

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want to try and do some illustrations

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for my book i don't have anybody to do

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anything and he hit it out of the park

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in the first try

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i think he should be probably getting uh

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book designing work already i think i

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think he is because of this and it's

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well deserved certainly he needs a new

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profession this is it but he could also

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take a gig at dc comics i think he'd do

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well with that yeah i think he would too

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well i think he'd do good at any comics

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place he should start his own his

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illustration is great he's always saying

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well i don't have any real good formal

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training and it's like

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i don't either but we put together a

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book so who cares and it looks beautiful

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i was at the farmer's market here in la

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two days ago with uh steve berg who's a

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we had the book on the table just

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with restaurants in them and people were

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walking by and everybody was looking at

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the book because the the cover graphic

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is so compelling to people

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i'll tell you this is just magnificent

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work we have an undiscovered talent here

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and it has to be dealt with in fact

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we'll get him on the show in the near

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future and talk to him further about but

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right now i wanted to cover a couple of

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things before we go into the book and

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how it started in the genesis

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and that is you may have heard and this

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is a story that's been run in the papers

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and in huffington post

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that hillary clinton

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regardless of what you think of the

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politics she's promising to look into

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ufos but you and i know because we've

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been around in a while that presidential

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candidates make promises

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that seem to be seldom kept

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yeah well most people know it's because

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podesta is on her staff and he's a big

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this me and remember that he tried to

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that uh he was trying to get some

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this on is all into the subject and of

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ask that question beforehand no no

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guests but um i think they said well

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we'll just handle that because like

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in or something i think she really can't

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that's the hip term to use now i guess

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that's my guess anyway anyway people

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reveal it's like no no no it's not going

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to happen it's just not

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an issue of national security i couldn't

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tell you but as long as it isn't i'll

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reveal it and you know even if she's

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pressed on the issue they can always

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find a few documents to throw out there

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about disclosure of anything is that

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they just have more data than us

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idea how inconceivably complicated and

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ignorance and fear so why bother

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ignorance he's fear are we talking about

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losing control and if you if you say

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and we don't know what it is and we

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don't know what to do about it you know

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why bother with that why why admit that

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everybody think you know something and

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use it to your ends until it's expedient

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to not to do so anymore okay we have

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their in lie is the secret to the ufo

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mystery that's your conspiracy theory

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come up before nothing has happened

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that are interested in it the public and

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scientists and all that to work on the

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problem not to go to the government and

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what you know and if you don't tell us

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exactly what we expect you're lying um

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it's an ins it's an insolvable thing

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it's like the kennedy assassination i i

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do it alone or whatever or had nothing

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our lifetimes or never

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lectures by a former new york state

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assemblyman by the name of mark lane

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thing if you're completely against

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and how conspiratorial and still a

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records or files that that will tell us

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destroyed a long time ago in fact if i

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met him and he's i don't know how the

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subject came up but he said people were

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wondering he said he remembers because

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of the thing happening it's not like

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this thing that built over years if you

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believe keel it's something that's been

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around for a long time 911 stuff started

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communication that wasn't as well so it

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spread i mean it wasn't as good in 1963

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so it didn't spread as fast but well you

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the origins of the ufo mystery and he

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took us back to the days of ray palmer

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involved with kenneth arnold yeah

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maury island arnold co-authored a book

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of the saucers we kind of forget the

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palmer and was a very ordinary

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summary of basic ufo sightings it was

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paranoia all about maury island we've

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got more to come about this we have greg

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it's called it defies language with

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tremendous illustrations from red

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skeletons found in america paranormal

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well let's see you won't make it as a

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i can do a good jock valley

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impersonation

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[Laughter]

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well if shock is listening i think we're

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going to have a problem remember jacques

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is taller than you are

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yes much

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he's taller than everybody i think

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except for ben affleck yeah and red pill

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red pill is what six five yeah he's

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pretty damn tall

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but yeah i think he's the only person

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that was about the same height as as uh

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volley at the

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iufoc which i smit you out and talk to

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you at about a month ago

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yeah just how time flies i went over to

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the adventures unlimited booth over

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there the vendors booth and there's

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chris

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and of course i'd seen pictures of red

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pill and i'd seen pictures of greg so i

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met them for the first time in fact if

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you go to the power cast forums at

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forum.theparacast.com that's the

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description of our 10th anniversary

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episode there's the picture i took of

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chris

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greg with his famous cap

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and red pill yeah well it's a uh

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hairpiece that people that get older and

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start losing their hair wear and that's

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why that's that's why i wear the cap all

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the time because i'm very embarrassed

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about having very little hair on the top

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of my head so that's the secret that's

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how they do it or movie stars who wear

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additional hair things if you notice

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here in the movie batman v superman

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henry cavill now take a look at him

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after the movie just in private life the

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hairline is receding folks yeah mine's

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been receding since i was in my early

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20s so it's been a long it's been a long

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term battle so right but this is

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superman imagine a bald superman yeah

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yeah scary but no of course as long as

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he does this did you see the movie

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batman v superman by the way no i hardly

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ever go to movies anymore and i probably

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won't go to that one

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all right there

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is an outcome related to superman it's a

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spoiler i won't tell you what it is

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but it duplicates

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something that happened to superman in

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1992 comic but of course he'll be back

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in the next film i don't even know why

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we're talking about this

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i have a question here from sue and this

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is kind of related to what we were

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getting on with conspiracies

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in terms of project beta greg describes

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don't know if it was in the book or a

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podcast somewhere having serious

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paranoia

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for a year or so and then getting over

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it why did he become paranoid how

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paranoid did he become and how did he

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finally manage to get over it does he

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have any suggestions for other people

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who might experience

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similar paranoia when studying weird

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stuff greg

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yeah i can tell you about that there is

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an entire article on it in the book that

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i wrote specifically for the book

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because i couldn't find the old post at

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yopo mystic where i'd written about my

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paranoia and what happened during that

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year but unlike some people that come on

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shows and go well you're gonna have to

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read the book for that which always

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pisses me off i'll tell you exactly what

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happened

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if that's the biggest problem here

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they'll either say

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well it's in the book and you have to

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read the book or

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as i said in the book which kind of what

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you just said but that's okay we don't

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mind selling a book for you yeah i mean

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the thing is as soon as i hear somebody

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say you're going to have to read the

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book it automatically makes me not want

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to buy the book

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it's just a reaction with me it's like

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why are you being so coy if people are

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interested in the subject matter

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and you tell them exactly what it is

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they're going to be compelled to read it

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because they're going to think wow

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there's probably you know i'm sure

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there's going to be stuff that i forget

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to put in the story that i tell

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um that's in the actual book but what

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happened was it sometime in the mid 90s

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there was a guy who said he's he was

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from naval intelligence and that he had

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quote unquote read my file

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and that he wanted to use my magazine

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the excluded middle as a a conduit or

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some way to release information

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it sounds to me like

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you were being treated like a william

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moore yeah a little bit or anybody else

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that says and this helped came up real

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recently on coast to coast with a guy

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that says that he's got inside

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information and they're feeding him

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information about really what's going on

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with the ufo subject and all that yes

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that happened to me the thing is the guy

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would start saying things like you know

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if somebody wants to read your email

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they can do it and this was like you

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know 1995. um if somebody wants to look

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at your computer screen remotely they

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can do that

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if somebody wants to open your mail very

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easy for them to do they can do that and

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that started happening my mail was open

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some of it

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now of course this is before

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we had the episode involving apple and

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the fbi where they couldn't open it and

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then they hired a firm i believe from

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israel

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yeah celebrate and in 26 minutes

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they opened up that older iphone yes

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they didn't have to hire anybody all of

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this is i don't know what the dodge is

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here because it's a backdoor on

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everything and if there isn't it's for

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the right people it's very easy to

528
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figure out john mcafee the the crazy

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software guy that people might know of

530
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he actually publicly announced i could

531
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crack that thing in 20 minutes just give

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it to me

533
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okay so that took six minutes longer but

534
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listen folks

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we have a guest on my technology show

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tech night out live

537
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dr timothy summers he is an ethical

538
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hacker yeah i'd be interested to hear

539
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,799
that because i i think it was just a

540
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publicity stunt by the nsa just to i

541
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don't know for what reason but

542
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to make everybody think they can't do it

543
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stupid of course they can get into

544
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people's phones well they started a

545
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dialogue here too and it's the kind of

546
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dialogue that's good or bad it doesn't

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reflect well

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on the public but i suspect if the

549
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,080
majority of public said you know what

550
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,000
we need to have this information

551
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,400
available for the authorities that would

552
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:08,559
have fueled certain kinds of laws or

553
00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:11,200
processes but it ended up

554
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:13,440
that a slight majority said no we don't

555
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:16,080
want that to happen we want our security

556
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,200
all right but let's go back to the

557
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:19,440
paranoia so this guy

558
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,200
supposedly is able to look at your

559
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,280
emails and he's making you

560
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,440
scared well he didn't say he looked at

561
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:27,919
my emails but he said it was possible to

562
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,720
ah

563
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,799
okay which kind of hints

564
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,120
that maybe he did well the thing is what

565
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,200
he was trying to do was is establish

566
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,840
that i should be scared and that if i

567
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,360
was scared to come to him with my

568
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,720
concerns

569
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,240
basically he's just he's trying to drive

570
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,080
me you know towards whatever

571
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:46,240
anyway so he he did give me some

572
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:47,760
information which i put in the magazine

573
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,440
but not saying this is from an inside

574
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,520
source it might be true it's just like

575
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:54,240
it was basically open source stuff stuff

576
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:58,320
about the cia stuff about um about uh

577
00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:59,679
how open they wanted to be with the

578
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:01,440
public what stuff they had possibly kept

579
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,880
from the public things that you could

580
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,559
probably find out on your own if you

581
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,640
looked really carefully but he had given

582
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,240
some of this stuff to me

583
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,000
and i was you know

584
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,760
very slowly putting bits and pieces of

585
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:13,760
it in the magazine and and saying that's

586
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:14,720
what was going i didn't say it was

587
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:16,000
coming from that guy i would just say

588
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,520
look here's this thing and what do you

589
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,400
think

590
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,720
um not saying that i was special or

591
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,400
anything like that because it even

592
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:24,400
though i kind of felt like that then

593
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,679
um that

594
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:27,679
it wasn't it was just somebody somewhere

595
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,840
within the navy apparently

596
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:31,360
trying to release certain types of

597
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,799
information to have a certain kind of

598
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effect or to see who reported back or

599
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,799
whatever i don't

600
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,080
at that time i thought they were trying

601
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,400
to release information but now i'm just

602
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,679
kind of like

603
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,840
i think it was a disinformation thing

604
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:44,799
anyway

605
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,559
so as this went on

606
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,720
i started seeing things like people is

607
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,240
stopping in front of my house and taking

608
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,159
pictures of the place and driving away

609
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,960
and my mail was opened especially from a

610
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,440
cattle mutilation researcher and carla

611
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:59,360
turner everything i got from them was

612
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,000
either mangled or opened now open just

613
00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,880
like torn apart or what some were opened

614
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,559
and some were torn apart

615
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,880
now that's deliberate because there are

616
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,280
ways this old method of steam heating

617
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,159
the flap of an envelope to get it open

618
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and then resealing it in a way that of

619
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:17,120
course

620
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:21,840
used to do the paranoid method where he

621
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,840
draw two straight lines

622
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,159
but he wait till the flaps at the

623
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,559
envelope were skew then straighten it

624
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,120
out seal the envelope and you think

625
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:33,280
somebody opened it that was jim mosley's

626
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paranoid marks

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[Music]

694
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december 7th

695
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1941

696
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a date which will live in infamy 75

697
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years ago america suffered one of the

698
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worst moments in american history the

699
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attack on pearl harbor

700
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now you can remember december 7th 1941

701
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,279
with the purchase of the first ever 75th

702
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anniversary pearl harbor legal tender

703
00:26:03,350 --> 00:25:58,080
solid gold coin from the u.s money

704
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right now for the official 75th

705
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anniversary pearl harbor legal tender

706
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gold coin from the u.s money reserve the

707
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only company authorized to distribute

708
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these 100

709
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:17,840
solid gold coins remember pearl harbor

710
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:25,430
two 1-800-490-3200 zero or online at

711
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,390
this is dan piller do you have the irs

712
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:32,240
money you can't pay are tax debts

713
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,080
crippling you i've defended people from

714
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,400
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

715
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,559
thousands and i can help you too i wrote

716
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,919
the book on irs settlement and i'm

717
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:41,679
telling you there's no such thing as a

718
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

719
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,520
get free of irs debt with the irs's new

720
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,120
programs there's never been a better

721
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:51,919
time to solve your problem call 834 no

722
00:27:02,789 --> 00:26:55,760
tax that's 800 34 no tax or my website

723
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,470
this is leslie kane and i'm with the

724
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:06,880
coalition for freedom of information and

725
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,070
you know what that reminds me of the way

726
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,880
you did that greg bishop what the movie

727
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,279
young frankenstein steinberg what about

728
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,799
what which in young frankenstein what

729
00:27:22,390 --> 00:27:20,640
part okay

730
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:22,400
remember one of my favorites the scene

731
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,200
where

732
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,919
in the study they lift the candle on

733
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:26,720
this

734
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,360
opens it slides out

735
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:33,600
and then he enters

736
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,799
the as they say the entrance to the back

737
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,880
side of the house or the and the thing

738
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:41,360
suddenly grabs him is trying to strangle

739
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,070
oh that was what the it was a secret

740
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:49,600
passageway and the whole books the

741
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,600
bookshelf turned exactly the bookshelf

742
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,520
he was trying to block it with his body

743
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,799
so that they could get through because

744
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,440
it would always be closed so he tried to

745
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,039
block it with his body to keep it open

746
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,960
and all all i did was almost crush him

747
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,799
to death

748
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,440
that other than blazing saddles was the

749
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,399
best movie mel brooks ever did

750
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:12,880
and i don't know why i don't think any

751
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:14,320
other movie he ever did maybe the

752
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,840
producers was pretty good they made a

753
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:17,840
broadway play of it yeah i don't think

754
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,679
any other movie was as good but we're

755
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:22,080
getting back to the paranoia so people

756
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,440
are reading your mail or at least

757
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,080
opening it to spook you so obviously

758
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,799
this was an effort to make you paranoid

759
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,000
because a lot of this could have been

760
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,399
done and you wouldn't notice it i guess

761
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,000
the other thing which i recounted the

762
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,919
book and i will tell you about was a

763
00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:38,240
really weird thing it was like i just

764
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:39,520
had this long

765
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:41,120
apartment that went you know it was just

766
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,720
one long hallway with like a couple

767
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,480
bedrooms off it anyway i was in my

768
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,159
office doing work at probably 11 at

769
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,159
night i got up to go you know into the

770
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,640
bedroom and my manager lived right

771
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,360
upstairs for me and i noticed when i

772
00:28:57,269 --> 00:28:55,360
went into my bedroom here at 11 at night

773
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:57,279
somebody upstairs was the floors were

774
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,399
creaky

775
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,399
the guy walked whoever it was walked

776
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,159
where i did into the bedroom yeah so

777
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:03,840
what i came out of the bedroom and they

778
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,919
followed me the footsteps were above my

779
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,919
head when i went back to my office

780
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,559
i said well coincidence so i got up

781
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,200
later and did more and the for like five

782
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,960
ten minutes whoever was upstairs walked

783
00:29:19,350 --> 00:29:16,960
where i walked in the apartment it was

784
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,360
extremely strange and really freaked me

785
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,279
out they were matching your steps

786
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,200
precisely yes well i don't know

787
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,799
precisely so whoever it was would go

788
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,080
down the hallway when i went down the

789
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,760
hallway would go in the kitchen when i

790
00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:29,440
went in the kitchen it was the same it

791
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:32,240
was the same floor plan upstairs i got

792
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,399
so scared i went back to my computer

793
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,840
knowing that people could see what you

794
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,600
had typed on your computer the guy told

795
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,000
me i typed in big block letters on my

796
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,919
computer i know what you're doing stop

797
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,240
it now and it stopped

798
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:46,640
i was so freaked out i could not i

799
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:48,640
didn't even want to ask my apartment

800
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:50,110
manager about it

801
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,679
[Laughter]

802
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,360
so i don't know what happened there i

803
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,679
wasn't drunk i wasn't on drugs you know

804
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,919
and it never happened again so i don't

805
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,279
know what the hell happened that day

806
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:01,360
anyway so you know this gets worse and

807
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,799
worse and worse and worse i'm scared to

808
00:30:05,590 --> 00:30:04,159
do anything i'm scared to answer the

809
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:05,600
phone i'm getting like you know those

810
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,520
phone calls where they somebody rings

811
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,799
the phone like a hundred times so you

812
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,000
pick it up and then there's nobody there

813
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,840
i was getting a bunch of those too five

814
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:14,480
six eight a day sometimes more after a

815
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,679
while i just didn't pick up the phone

816
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,880
but if you didn't it would just keep

817
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,960
ringing it was insane

818
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,080
so finally the weird thing was that i

819
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,320
didn't make this like thing like you

820
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,120
know i'm gonna change my way of looking

821
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,600
at things and i'm just gonna i got tired

822
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:31,919
of being scared so i told myself i'm

823
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,679
just not gonna worry about it anymore

824
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,200
and the weird thing was when i stopped

825
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:37,760
worrying about it all that crap stopped

826
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,919
it was as if they were mirroring your

827
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:41,039
attitude

828
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:46,000
some of these things are going on anyway

829
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:47,600
and i just never noticed them if i don't

830
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,320
have a paranoid mindset i don't know but

831
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,000
the thing is i don't know if i've said

832
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:53,760
it in the book but i described this to

833
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,640
paul krasner the uh yippie writer who

834
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,120
used to publish the realist a kind of a

835
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,799
personal hero of mine

836
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:02,240
and i was talking to him once and i he

837
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:03,440
went through this same kind of thing

838
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:05,440
when he was um studying the kennedy

839
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,840
assassination in the late 60s he went

840
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:10,080
through a horrible paranoid period he

841
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:11,279
thought people were following him and

842
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:12,799
tapping his phone and all that i said

843
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,399
what did you do about it he said i just

844
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,240
decided to stop being paranoid and i

845
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:17,840
said yeah and he said it gets old

846
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,159
doesn't it he said yes it does so

847
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,559
mindset is a really important thing that

848
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:24,159
you know that you can

849
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,480
hoodwink yourself into anything but

850
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,240
getting out of that paranoid period was

851
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,320
key for me by just saying look i'm tired

852
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,320
of being paranoid i'm going to stop it

853
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:34,159
and it took a you know a few months for

854
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,480
it to simmer down but it did and ever

855
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,720
since then i've really not had any

856
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,640
strangeness happen a lot of strange

857
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,679
things happened when i was doing the

858
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,200
magazine because i was just getting into

859
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,559
it meeting a lot of people doing a lot

860
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,559
of strange things so you know it was it

861
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,960
was a growth period of strangeness

862
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,120
now paul krasner is still alive

863
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:53,120
he's 83 years old

864
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:56,640
yeah oh boy he lives out here he had a

865
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,960
book out in 1993 autobiography

866
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,120
called confessions of a raving

867
00:32:08,110 --> 00:32:05,919
unconfined nut which was what richard

868
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,120
nixon called him apparently

869
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:10,399
misadventures in the counter culture

870
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,840
it's amazing the guy is still at it

871
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,559
yeah

872
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,679
i remember the realist by the way

873
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,600
i remember the realist

874
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:21,760
oh yeah i mean that was a great magazine

875
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:24,960
i've got i found one i guess at a thrift

876
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,200
store or something once which is a

877
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,679
the cover is uh has lenny bruce on it

878
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,440
with an article by lenny bruce which i

879
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,440
i've got because i'm a big lenny bruce

880
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:34,240
fan and

881
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:38,320
uh krasner and lenny bruce were friends

882
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,679
apparently i also have one of his um uh

883
00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:43,760
i i can't know if i can swear on the air

884
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,919
but i have one of his um you can't swear

885
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,840
on the air so we can only do that on

886
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,480
after the power cast okay it's the f

887
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,799
communism poster that he put out in the

888
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,399
sometime in the 60s to piss off

889
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,159
conservatives and liberals and it's it's

890
00:33:00,389 --> 00:32:57,840
wonderful and he signed it to me i

891
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,399
treasure it dearly

892
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:02,960
we need more people like him okay so

893
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,360
anyway over time you overcame this

894
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,200
paranoia

895
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,519
and you became your normal self again

896
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:12,159
now this happened after you had first

897
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:14,559
hooked up with bill moore

898
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:20,710
maybe five six seven years after that

899
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,960
and i wasn't paranoid because when i was

900
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,720
talking to bill and hanging out with him

901
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,000
and hearing what he had to say because

902
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,320
none of this was affecting me

903
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,840
it was what was going on with him and he

904
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,440
didn't really tell me very much the only

905
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,760
time he really told me in detail as much

906
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:34,960
as he could and what was going on is

907
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,080
when i was working on project beta

908
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,000
right of course eric the red asked a

909
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,919
question for those who haven't read your

910
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,440
book or might be unfamiliar with the

911
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,200
case

912
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,120
could you summarize the paul bennewitz

913
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,960
story what can be learned from this

914
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:51,039
story that might give us greater

915
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,399
understanding about

916
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:54,799
ufos or the government's interest in

917
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,559
them so let's be brief about that

918
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:58,080
because we've gone to benowitz in the

919
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,279
past with you but maybe a real

920
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,720
two-minute reader's digest version okay

921
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,600
yeah uh let's see what happened with

922
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,960
bennowitz uh

923
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,399
he was a

924
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,240
a scientist with a

925
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,520
master's degree in electrical

926
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,960
engineering he lived in

927
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,280
albuquerque new mexico this was in the

928
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,040
late 1970s

929
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:21,520
he thought that he saw

930
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:22,399
uh

931
00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:23,520
something

932
00:34:27,669 --> 00:34:26,079
that was ufo-like being tested at the

933
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,679
air force base next to where he lived

934
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,119
there in in

935
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:31,599
albuquerque kirtland air force base so

936
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,200
he started filming it um

937
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,839
and writing up what he saw he

938
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,440
eventually reported this to the air

939
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,800
force because the air force it was on

940
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,320
the air force base and he wanted to say

941
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,919
did you know there's ufos flying around

942
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,159
your base

943
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,720
and they said they they got this message

944
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,960
from him and said uh

945
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:52,159
why didn't you come down and tell us

946
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,679
about it because obviously they knew

947
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,679
what was going on on their base

948
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,960
and they wanted to know who was there at

949
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:58,000
three in the morning in the middle of

950
00:35:03,190 --> 00:34:59,200
the winter in the freezing you know

951
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,200
below zero cold watching this stuff um

952
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:05,119
they called him they called him into the

953
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:06,160
uh

954
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,599
to the base he he gave a presentation

955
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:11,280
and uh they realized that he was

956
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,640
actually looking at stuff that he

957
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,880
shouldn't be looking at um so they

958
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,599
decided to uh

959
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,160
basically take control of his um

960
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,920
perceptions and

961
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,599
the reason they didn't ask him to just

962
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,520
stop it is because they wanted to find

963
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,440
out how he knew what he was you know how

964
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:28,800
he knew what he knew and also who he

965
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,520
might be talking to anyway um

966
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,520
he was his own worst enemy he was a kind

967
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,240
of a paranoid to begin with and the air

968
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,760
force and the nsa and everybody else

969
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,880
that was working on the base they're

970
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:40,160
trying to protect

971
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:42,000
uh

972
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,480
secret um projects

973
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:47,119
um decided just to basically monitor him

974
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,960
and and take control of his perceptions

975
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,000
because

976
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:51,680
they one they didn't want him anything

977
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:53,119
they were doing getting out anywhere and

978
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,560
two if it did get out they wanted to

979
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,079
know who was listening so it was useful

980
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,400
in that way eventually

981
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,040
he got so paranoid based mostly on what

982
00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,079
he was telling them and thinking up um

983
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,400
but addition to being supported by

984
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,920
various intelligence agencies that

985
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,680
contacted him that he ended up in a

986
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,680
mental institution for a while when he

987
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,040
came out he

988
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,720
he stopped this

989
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,320
one of the people that he talked to

990
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:18,560
while this was going on was bill moore

991
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,200
who had a deal with certain elements of

992
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,400
the government that they were going to

993
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,040
give him ufo information in exchange for

994
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:26,400
his cooperation

995
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,280
um

996
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,200
i don't believe moore ever handed any

997
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:30,880
disinformation to paul

998
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:33,680
uh benowitz except one piece of uh

999
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,680
uh paper called the aquarius document

1000
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,920
which he told him to be careful about

1001
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:39,680
let's be careful about this announcement

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00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,160
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1125
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,240
defies language when greg is on to

1126
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,240
explain it we're talking a little bit of

1127
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:16,800
background about paul benowitz you want

1128
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,599
to pick up on that craig yeah the the

1129
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,400
upshot of all this uh and another person

1130
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,920
that was he was working with who who's

1131
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:25,440
very famous and everybody knows about

1132
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:27,040
now is uh

1133
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,839
former air force office of special

1134
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,200
investigations uh uh

1135
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,200
operative richard doty who's very

1136
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:35,040
involved in the story and very involved

1137
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:38,319
with controlling benowitz's uh

1138
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,599
perceptions

1139
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,839
um and directing them

1140
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,800
uh

1141
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:46,079
could was able to find out is that they

1142
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:49,920
were looking at he was looking at um

1143
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:51,920
the testing of some sort of aerial

1144
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:54,079
platform who knows what it was it was

1145
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,839
something that seemed to move like a ufo

1146
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,319
and glowed like one but

1147
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,839
it was completely under the control of

1148
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:02,000
the air force so who knows what it was i

1149
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,720
don't think it was anything

1150
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:04,319
extraterrestrial or anything like that

1151
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,000
but you know he was he was watching it

1152
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,520
and they didn't like that

1153
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,040
um

1154
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,200
but

1155
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,440
the bill moore's part was that he was

1156
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,599
told that if he cooperated he would get

1157
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,720
uh

1158
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,480
ufo information that the government had

1159
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:20,000
certain files and all that that nobody

1160
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:22,079
else got and he did

1161
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:22,880
um

1162
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,880
some of which was probably not true and

1163
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,880
hoaxed i don't think he hoaxed any of

1164
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,560
any of it himself

1165
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:31,040
but uh and some of it which was not but

1166
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,720
the thing is after the end of this i

1167
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,480
asked him i said well was it worth it

1168
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,880
did you find anything out he goes no

1169
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,880
i found nothing out it was kind it

1170
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,720
wasn't a waste of time but it because it

1171
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,960
was it was an adventure but it you know

1172
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,800
he didn't get that ufo information from

1173
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:46,000
the government that he thought he would

1174
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,599
get he did get a lot of stuff that was

1175
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,520
tantalizing but nothing you could put

1176
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,560
your finger on and say yes the

1177
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,400
government definitely knows and he even

1178
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,640
disavows the mj12 thing now i think he

1179
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:57,599
he himself thinks it was a fake

1180
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,240
but stanton friedman doesn't

1181
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,480
no stanton doesn't and i don't know why

1182
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,280
not it's probably just because he's

1183
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,760
looked into it for so long that he's

1184
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:10,000
either absolutely right or he's got

1185
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:11,359
blind spots

1186
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,520
but you know i'm not going to argue with

1187
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,160
stan friedman about mj 12.

1188
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,760
it's not worth it we don't want to bring

1189
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,280
it up again but if we're going to argue

1190
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,800
about something since we have stanton

1191
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,160
friedman and william moore in the

1192
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,359
picture

1193
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,480
roswell

1194
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,800
is it possible william moore kind of put

1195
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,800
us in some wrong directions in the early

1196
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,800
days of roswell remember of course he

1197
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
wrote the book with charles burlitz in

1198
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,200
which stanton friedman supposedly did a

1199
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,760
lot more than he was credited for

1200
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,000
uh yes he did a lot of the research he

1201
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,319
first talked to jesse marcel at a radio

1202
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,560
station i believe in louisiana and

1203
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,480
that's how the story came out he told

1204
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:49,920
more about it he was working with moore

1205
00:44:53,349 --> 00:44:50,960
at the time

1206
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:53,359
he gave some of his uh did some research

1207
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,599
and then more actually i'm not sure if

1208
00:44:59,550 --> 00:44:57,359
st friedman did this but more actually

1209
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,560
went to roswell in

1210
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:02,000
1977 or 78

1211
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,160
and talked to all these people um and

1212
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,079
got the the very first stories that had

1213
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,319
come out since well since the thing had

1214
00:45:11,910 --> 00:45:10,160
happened in 1947

1215
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,920
and um

1216
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:13,920
what people said at the time was a lot

1217
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,160
less detailed than what subsequent

1218
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,319
researchers and books have found out now

1219
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,240
i don't know if that's because they got

1220
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:22,640
better information that people were more

1221
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,720
inclined to say things or that they were

1222
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,960
led in a certain way i have no idea

1223
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,200
that's the thing i worry about roswell

1224
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,079
yeah once the stories are out there and

1225
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,839
people are trying to remember things

1226
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:35,599
that happened 30 40 years earlier

1227
00:45:41,309 --> 00:45:38,680
whatever of course we're talking about

1228
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:41,319
1947 compared to

1229
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,200
1977. yeah 30 years of memories colored

1230
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:46,400
by that book

1231
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,079
and by subsequent magazine articles and

1232
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,160
there wasn't much popular conversation

1233
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,720
about roswell after the original event

1234
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:57,920
but that book fueled so much how much of

1235
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,640
the remembrances of roswell how much of

1236
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,480
them were distorted

1237
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,400
by that book and others

1238
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,119
i think quite a lot and

1239
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,119
in the final analysis of the whole thing

1240
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,200
and i can't even remember why this is my

1241
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:13,040
opinion because over many years i've

1242
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,800
heard many things

1243
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,240
that

1244
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,920
it has not been solved it's kind of like

1245
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:20,240
the kennedy assassination it's not been

1246
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:22,640
solved it probably never will be and

1247
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,920
we're probably just going to have to

1248
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,680
live with that

1249
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,680
which is fine because it's it's you know

1250
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,599
it's created a lot of controversy it's

1251
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,280
created some good literature and people

1252
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,800
have written some interesting things

1253
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:34,960
about it and something definitely went

1254
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,400
on which was very important to the

1255
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:38,000
military at the time

1256
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,680
whether that's extraterrestrials or not

1257
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:41,839
i'm not exactly sure but it was

1258
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,839
certainly very important and if it was

1259
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,680
extraterrestrials

1260
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,760
and you know there were some dead bodies

1261
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:49,760
or whatever that that have been found by

1262
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:52,000
subsequent researchers or stories about

1263
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,720
them

1264
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,800
then that's never going to be admitted

1265
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,119
either it just isn't until there's some

1266
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,960
compelling reason to do so people

1267
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,480
complaining about it and saying release

1268
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,079
the files is not a compelling reason to

1269
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:04,640
do so and you wonder here even if they

1270
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,319
recovered alien technology how much

1271
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,640
of that technology could they decode now

1272
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,520
take my common example we mentioned it

1273
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,440
in this week's version of the tech night

1274
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:16,800
owl live where we were talking with a

1275
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,119
guy named john martillero who's a guy

1276
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:20,640
used to work at apple by the way in

1277
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,520
their

1278
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:24,160
science and business efficient

1279
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:25,920
and the thing is here you take today's

1280
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:28,079
iphone he calls the iphone like almost

1281
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:29,520
like magic

1282
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,960
and now go back to 1947. now imagine the

1283
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:34,720
iphone technology

1284
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,359
enhanced by another 100 or 200 or 500

1285
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,599
years of technology

1286
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,880
okay

1287
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,400
now imagine

1288
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,599
even with the iphone in 1947

1289
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,359
what could they do with it

1290
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,480
now imagine even more if it was 1907

1291
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,040
with an iphone what could they do with

1292
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,720
it an ipad for example so we have this

1293
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,839
spaceship

1294
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,680
from a civilization that may be hundreds

1295
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,920
or thousands of years ahead of us

1296
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,319
how do we get past that technology i

1297
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:05,520
mean i even

1298
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,319
look at the movie independence day where

1299
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:09,680
they have

1300
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:13,040
area 51 supposedly has an alien body in

1301
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,480
a spaceship

1302
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,640
and someone asks a question you've had

1303
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,800
this thing since the 1950s of course

1304
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,480
we're talking about the 40s this is a

1305
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,640
movie yeah and

1306
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,280
you haven't figured out what's going on

1307
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:26,559
and then of course

1308
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,359
the

1309
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:29,359
scientists played by

1310
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,559
the actor who played data on star trek

1311
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:35,119
next generation he says well we know

1312
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,240
tons

1313
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,319
but we can't get past their technology

1314
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,839
but that's the point

1315
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,599
the point is here if you have that

1316
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:43,760
advanced technology

1317
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,960
what would you do with it would you

1318
00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:47,599
invent night vision goggles and handed

1319
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,240
off to colonel philip corso

1320
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,480
no

1321
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,079
well i think

1322
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,359
i've got this idea and it's just me that

1323
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,680
people have this idea that aliens would

1324
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,720
be advanced so many years ahead of us

1325
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:04,960
and they're assuming our time frame and

1326
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,359
our pi point of view and our technology

1327
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,800
and what would happen

1328
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:11,119
i think if you get

1329
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,599
anywhere near you know

1330
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,599
two or three hundred years after us we

1331
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,359
won't be able to recognize our own

1332
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,440
civilization and society and technology

1333
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,079
at that point and imagine one that had

1334
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:23,839
gone in a completely different direction

1335
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,960
than us

1336
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,440
you know how are you even gonna

1337
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,520
i don't think you could even comprehend

1338
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,680
what their ideas would be and their

1339
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,280
motivations and their

1340
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,599
um technology would be it wouldn't even

1341
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:37,280
be it wouldn't be like magic to us it

1342
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,559
would be incomprehensible to us

1343
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,319
we wouldn't even recognize this

1344
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,640
technology yeah and the thing is if we

1345
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,720
did encounter it

1346
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,160
i don't yeah you're right we wouldn't

1347
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:50,319
recognize it as technology and the thing

1348
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,839
is we would start and this is part of

1349
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,839
you know one of my big bailiwax or

1350
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,319
whatever you want to call it my my uh

1351
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:58,000
the thing i'm always talking about we

1352
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,200
would start

1353
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,960
putting our own meaning on it to make

1354
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,960
sense out of it and i think that's a lot

1355
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:04,480
of what's going on and there's a couple

1356
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,359
of things in the book on that

1357
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:09,280
well that's something that leads us to

1358
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,720
believe that we got to read that book

1359
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:13,040
let me hit you with some other things

1360
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,880
that may be related to the paranoia

1361
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,720
and of course you know roswell i don't

1362
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:20,720
know what to make of it i still think

1363
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,640
there's more of a top secret thing here

1364
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:25,440
than alien technology being recovered

1365
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:27,200
but i'm pretty sure that too gene

1366
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,720
actually

1367
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,079
okay so

1368
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,760
now then

1369
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,119
let's look at

1370
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,960
some other subjects our listeners are

1371
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,240
asking about we have a bunch of

1372
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,079
questions i'm sure you've checked them

1373
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:40,559
from eric the red

1374
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,280
do alien abductions really happen why or

1375
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,359
why not

1376
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,240
why asking me that

1377
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:53,040
you're not an abduction guy but he asked

1378
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,640
um

1379
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,319
something happens

1380
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,480
there's my answer you know

1381
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,720
in in some cases something happens which

1382
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,359
i don't think can be put down to sleep

1383
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,880
paralysis or

1384
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,880
anything like that i think things happen

1385
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,359
to people um i don't know about a

1386
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,680
majority i would probably say minority

1387
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,200
uh where somebody has some sort of

1388
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:15,200
contact with something that isn't human

1389
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,960
i think past that i have no idea and the

1390
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:21,119
the abduction you know the thing is

1391
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,960
we've been told what abductions are for

1392
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,599
so long that we've built up a uh idea of

1393
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,559
what they are and that might influence

1394
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:30,960
what people report we've got greg bishop

1395
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:42,549
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1396
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1406
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1407
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1408
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[Music]

1445
00:54:03,430 --> 00:53:59,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1446
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:03,440
standard of paranormal radio

1447
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:04,720
and now

1448
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,030
with gene and chris in the power cast we

1449
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,000
got greg bishop he's talking about all

1450
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,319
things in general including it defies

1451
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,640
language and i asked him briefly because

1452
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,240
eric the red ass

1453
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,640
greg about ufo abductions and you don't

1454
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,480
follow that much do you not really

1455
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,160
anymore i was very excited when it first

1456
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,880
started uh being a big thing in the late

1457
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,920
80s

1458
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,760
um of course when bud hopkins book

1459
00:54:36,790 --> 00:54:35,040
intruders came out that was very

1460
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,800
exciting when whitley streeters came

1461
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:38,880
book came out that was tremendously

1462
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:41,599
exciting to me and i still like reading

1463
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,200
what whitley streeper has to say no

1464
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,640
matter what people think about his

1465
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:46,640
veracity or if he's lying or i don't

1466
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,800
think he's lying i think he confabulates

1467
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,880
a lot but that's not his fault because

1468
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,480
he's a writer and he's a you know he's a

1469
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,400
creative person the thing is it's kind

1470
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,079
of like people say well john keel made

1471
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,400
stuff up or he lied or whatever i don't

1472
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,000
really care so much about that what i

1473
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:02,079
care about is the thought process and

1474
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,920
what the models he uses and how it

1475
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,480
affected him and he's had some great

1476
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:08,240
ideas about what this what might be

1477
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:10,400
going on some of my favorites like he

1478
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,359
said that

1479
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,960
whatever is going on it's going on in

1480
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:15,359
the most democratic way possible it's

1481
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:17,200
not going from top down it's going from

1482
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:19,760
bottom up if you think that it's really

1483
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:22,160
some other intelligence interacting with

1484
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,800
us

1485
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:25,520
um and that's a fascinating idea to me i

1486
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,119
mean they don't want to deal with if you

1487
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:28,720
know if there is if you are positing

1488
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:30,800
some kind of uh motivation here in

1489
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,760
intelligence and and method and we might

1490
00:55:38,790 --> 00:55:35,440
be putting our own you know thing on it

1491
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,800
or whitley might be but his idea is that

1492
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,800
everybody has to look at it in their own

1493
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,599
way

1494
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:44,160
because it just cannot be explained to

1495
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,559
everybody in the same way and that's a

1496
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,240
fascinating idea to me and it's

1497
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,599
something i kind of

1498
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,520
carry with me as i hear you know every

1499
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:53,760
time i hear an abduction story or um

1500
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,520
about a new researcher or something like

1501
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,760
that but no no i don't really follow it

1502
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,280
that closely because it hasn't changed

1503
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,839
that much and the fact that there is a

1504
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,480
set um scenario

1505
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,480
that at least that major researchers

1506
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,880
reveal to us and it never changes they

1507
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,720
don't tell you about the weird stuff but

1508
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,960
the fact that it never changes really

1509
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,559
makes me think that it's almost

1510
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:16,160
hopelessly to the point where we're

1511
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:17,440
never going to find out what the source

1512
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:19,520
is because there's so many models we

1513
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,440
have a model stuck on it that most

1514
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,200
people agree with that is the one that

1515
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:25,680
most people go to consciously or not

1516
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,480
so we have a very subjective reality

1517
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:31,280
here when it comes to ufos and we are

1518
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,720
influencing

1519
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,359
it's i guess like quantum physics

1520
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,160
when you observe something you influence

1521
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:40,559
what it does but whitley streeper as you

1522
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,000
probably know i don't know if you heard

1523
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:43,920
the episode we finally got him on the

1524
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,680
power cast yeah what did he say i didn't

1525
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,079
hear him it was basically the usual

1526
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,680
stuff in terms of

1527
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:52,400
what he has to say he accepts this as a

1528
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,520
presence of the visitors he's not 100

1529
00:56:59,190 --> 00:56:57,680
sure who and what they are which is kind

1530
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,200
of important because

1531
00:57:02,230 --> 00:57:01,440
it means that he's willing to accept

1532
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,240
that

1533
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:03,760
it's not just

1534
00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,640
aliens coming here in physical aircraft

1535
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,400
there's more involved

1536
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:11,040
right i encountered that very early on

1537
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,640
in his writing you know communion and uh

1538
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,319
maybe not so much in community well no

1539
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:17,760
right off the bat in community i think

1540
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,079
he was thinking along those lines or had

1541
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,480
suggested that in subsequent books i

1542
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,240
haven't read i read the first three and

1543
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,240
i word read majestic which is also a

1544
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:28,160
great one i really like that book

1545
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,440
um

1546
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,000
that he's always exploring different

1547
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,160
ways to look at it

1548
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,240
he never really sticks to one thing and

1549
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,000
that people don't really talk about that

1550
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:39,599
they say oh he's the guy that had aliens

1551
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,160
land and shove things up his butt no

1552
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,000
he's not that guy he's so much more and

1553
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,920
that that that always fascinates me what

1554
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,599
else did he say on the show i mean like

1555
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,280
you said he said the same stuff he was

1556
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:51,119
talking probably about the supernatural

1557
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:54,319
book he wrote with the cripel right yes

1558
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,799
he did but at the end of the day i think

1559
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,119
chris was disappointed because he would

1560
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,119
go into his fixed routines when you'd

1561
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:02,960
ask him a deep question he kind of

1562
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,880
revert back to that so it's not that he

1563
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,799
gave you anything that you didn't know

1564
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:08,319
having read his books or heard him on

1565
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:10,160
radio and tv before

1566
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,880
i kind of think just beginning and end

1567
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,599
that he's not just a fiction author

1568
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,839
inventing something but the fact that he

1569
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:19,520
is a fiction author

1570
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,880
reflects on the way he expresses it yes

1571
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,079
and that is

1572
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:26,079
troublesome because then

1573
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,200
you're getting

1574
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:29,440
more of an emotional reaction as opposed

1575
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,000
to actual factual events

1576
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,680
how are you going to get factual events

1577
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,200
out of something that nobody knows what

1578
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,599
it is to begin with i like the creative

1579
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,440
thing i think that's that that's why i

1580
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:40,799
like because he's looking at it with a

1581
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,040
creative mind and i don't think that's

1582
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,680
used enough because people worship the

1583
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,280
if we get enough data we're going to

1584
00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:49,200
know what it is thing i think we have

1585
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,799
enough data

1586
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,319
that goes to another thing i want to

1587
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,160
talk to you about but first when you

1588
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,720
think about the creative mind

1589
00:59:00,710 --> 00:58:58,559
and of course we have

1590
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,720
the mothman we have mothman prophecies

1591
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:02,960
from keel but we also have a book by

1592
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:05,680
gray barker called the silver bridge

1593
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:08,000
and the silver bridge was an amazing

1594
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,799
book

1595
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,119
because it's a creative mind a very

1596
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,079
creative brilliant mind approaching this

1597
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,559
in a very subjective way what happened

1598
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,599
there it's not the way he's referring to

1599
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,760
physical events a b c and d like a

1600
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,160
reporter yeah he is

1601
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,000
basically writing

1602
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:29,200
a parable based on what happened yeah it

1603
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,280
was an amazing book if you can ever find

1604
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:34,000
it uh the silver bridge you can get on

1605
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:35,200
amazon

1606
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,880
yes it is an amazing book in fact i

1607
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,839
think it's

1608
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,680
i don't know about far better

1609
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:41,440
it's like what i was saying about it you

1610
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,960
know maybe aliens developing in a

1611
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,799
completely different you know there's an

1612
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:46,319
article about this in the book but

1613
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,440
developing not in a parallel way but in

1614
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:51,920
a perpendicular way off to the side grey

1615
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,680
barker's writing on silt and silver

1616
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,839
bridge is completely different than keel

1617
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,280
and he looks at it in a completely

1618
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,440
different way and it's

1619
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:01,599
refreshing enjoyable and exciting to

1620
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:03,119
read and i would encourage people to

1621
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:04,319
pick that up i'm glad you brought that

1622
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,839
up gene now the version that's available

1623
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,559
from amazon is a kindle edition they've

1624
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,559
got a paperback edition

1625
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,200
but this is a special version with

1626
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:17,520
a forward from alan greenfield

1627
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:20,640
a piece material from andrew colvin and

1628
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,599
even jim mosley so it's a later version

1629
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:25,200
right of the original book written in

1630
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,319
1970. yeah but the text is there the

1631
01:00:32,230 --> 01:00:30,480
text is there but it's enhanced by

1632
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,240
additional commentaries

1633
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:34,319
and it's worth what well the paperback

1634
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,599
is not worth it it's a hundred ten

1635
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,240
dollars it's very expensive

1636
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:40,319
yeah i'm looking at amazon right now the

1637
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,680
silver bridge paperback 110

1638
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,599
that's ridiculous but if you want to get

1639
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the kindle version

1640
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:52,480
don't even think of

1641
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the paperback version you know i would

1642
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,240
have something valuable if i still have

1643
01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:58,319
the book i don't think i do i think it's

1644
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lost about 10 moves ago my friend peter

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stensel who co-found founded excluded

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middle with me we were at a ufo

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convention once

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and somebody was selling a copy of it

1649
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and i said huh that'd be interesting i'm

1650
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,720
going to come back and get that and

1651
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,240
about 10 minutes later he said hey look

1652
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,559
what i got it's like oh he got it an

1653
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:18,400
original first edition of the silver

1654
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:19,359
bridge

1655
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:21,599
i had an original edition the game

1656
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personally sent me

1657
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i'll tell you what if i would recommend

1658
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if you want something and you're not

1659
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interested just in a

1660
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recitation of facts a reporter's recount

1661
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of mothman you want to get this

1662
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subjective

1663
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,200
book that i think was a lot more even

1664
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,160
than grey barker intended yeah i just

1665
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,960
think he wrote what he felt and he came

1666
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,440
up with brilliance the silver bridge by

1667
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,920
gray barker those were his people so he

1668
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,680
was able to talk to him a completely

1669
01:01:56,069 --> 01:01:53,680
different way than keel was because he

1670
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lived there and he knew these kind of

1671
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people and he knew how to talk to them

1672
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they told him stuff they would never

1673
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,160
tell keel or reporters or whatever right

1674
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,960
he's one of them yeah okay

1675
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:06,799
this will tell you more the silver

1676
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,079
bridge from gray barker let's go on i'm

1677
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:12,240
looking here at what the cost of the

1678
01:02:16,230 --> 01:02:14,720
book would be from other places

1679
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,240
okay

1680
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,319
and i don't see a price i see a place

1681
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,119
that is offering it online called good

1682
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,240
reads

1683
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,799
oh yeah and i don't see any way of

1684
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actually buying a book from there oh it

1685
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,359
says online stores it shows a bunch of

1686
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online stores that have it and you have

1687
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to kind of click on the reference and

1688
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:34,720
see what they sell it for i think what

1689
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:36,880
it is is it maybe somebody got a few

1690
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printed up and they're kind of running

1691
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,920
out of them and it wasn't print on

1692
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demand and that means that there's only

1693
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:43,760
a certain amount of them so you know

1694
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,119
we've got 50 or 20 of them left let's

1695
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just put a ridiculous price on and if

1696
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anybody buys them great if not they're

1697
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still buying kindles i mean i i i would

1698
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understand that thinking on the other

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hand if they had digital file they could

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upload it to createspace or lulu and

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1829
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:14,319
he's going to try every accent he knows

1830
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,440
what am i supposed to do everybody's

1831
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,159
done the frankenstein voice the monster

1832
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:20,480
voice the you know i i got to think of

1833
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:23,120
other voices

1834
01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,560
yeah i don't know when it's coming up so

1835
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when you do it it's like oh i got to

1836
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think of something so you know you got

1837
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to call on your powers of improvisation

1838
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i suppose which i don't have

1839
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,199
well what you can do is kind of think

1840
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,960
that's going to happen between 8 and 10

1841
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:36,560
minutes every time

1842
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:39,600
speaking of all these ufo

1843
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reports

1844
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,159
all right

1845
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,920
from dave m

1846
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,000
greg have you ever witnessed any

1847
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:49,440
triangular aircraft if so where do you

1848
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,560
believe they originate from human means

1849
01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,319
or something else

1850
01:08:58,630 --> 01:08:56,640
the ones that move very quickly and in

1851
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,640
ufo-like ways i don't know where those

1852
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,199
come from have you ever witnessed them

1853
01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:03,359
no i haven't seen one have you ever seen

1854
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:04,480
a ufo

1855
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,359
yes

1856
01:09:09,510 --> 01:09:07,359
i know that's one of the questions

1857
01:09:11,110 --> 01:09:09,520
and that's a chapter in i mean that's an

1858
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:11,120
entry in the book and i will talk about

1859
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,839
it

1860
01:09:16,309 --> 01:09:14,080
in a second here but no i've never seen

1861
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,319
a triangular craft uh i've talked to

1862
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,159
many people that have

1863
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,199
i'll tell you about seven eight years

1864
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,239
ago we were in a bookstore my wife and i

1865
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:26,719
she said hey look at this and she handed

1866
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:27,679
me a

1867
01:09:31,749 --> 01:09:29,839
magazine that was like a radio hobbyist

1868
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:31,759
magazine or something like that it was a

1869
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:34,480
huge cover story on triangular um

1870
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,759
lighter than air

1871
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:36,960
aircraft

1872
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,600
that pretty much match exactly what

1873
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:41,839
people are talking about a triangle uh

1874
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,120
you know like a thing that looks like a

1875
01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:44,960
delta wing a thing that looks like you

1876
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:47,440
know swept wing like a jet with lights

1877
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,400
on them

1878
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,319
these things were flying you know

1879
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,719
at least publicly eight or ten years ago

1880
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,320
so i think a lot of the you know the

1881
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:56,400
giant triangular and wing-shaped craft

1882
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,960
that go silently over the desert or you

1883
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,480
know the hudson valley of new york and

1884
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,400
all that i have a very sneaking

1885
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,880
suspicion that so at least some of those

1886
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:06,800
are these lighter than aircraft

1887
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:09,280
but as if you know as we know with uh

1888
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,560
many of these things when you try to

1889
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,400
explain and say that's what that is

1890
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,080
there's many sightings of things that

1891
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:16,000
were lighter in aircraft than air

1892
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,840
aircraft cannot do

1893
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:19,520
you know very quick turns and

1894
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,199
disappearing in five seconds over the

1895
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,199
horizon and all that no a lighter than

1896
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:25,360
aircraft cannot do that so i don't know

1897
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:27,600
what that is however

1898
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:29,199
speaking of people saying things from

1899
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,800
inside the government you can't trust or

1900
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:31,760
not

1901
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,480
i had a on my show on radio mysterioso a

1902
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few years ago and it's still posted i

1903
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,000
had a guy on that said he worked at a

1904
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,920
for a defense contractor i think it's

1905
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:41,440
san diego

1906
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,239
and

1907
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:44,800
years ago they were testing a neutrally

1908
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,520
buoyant aircraft which had thrusters or

1909
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,840
jets or something on it that was able to

1910
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,920
do some of the things that he said ufos

1911
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,679
do now i don't know if he was trying to

1912
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:55,840
get me to believe that you know ufos are

1913
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:57,360
all these lighter than aircraft or what

1914
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,440
i it still wouldn't explain a lot of

1915
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:01,360
things like effects on witnesses and all

1916
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:02,320
that

1917
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,760
do very quick maneuvers and and and uh

1918
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:11,120
do some of the things that are ascribed

1919
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:14,400
to ufos the only thing that that uh you

1920
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,480
know the one thing with that is what

1921
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:17,600
about when something goes from a

1922
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:19,280
standing still to going something like

1923
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,440
you know a thousand miles an hour in a

1924
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:23,120
half a second

1925
01:11:27,430 --> 01:11:24,640
that would involve

1926
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,440
really strong forces like you know

1927
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:29,360
air pushing against the aircraft

1928
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:31,199
creating sonic booms and all that which

1929
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:33,679
doesn't happen so the pilots would

1930
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,040
suffer a condition called splat

1931
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:39,199
yes unless

1932
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,640
and this is something that these this

1933
01:11:44,470 --> 01:11:42,320
strange navy guy told me they were

1934
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,480
testing something where they had people

1935
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,320
breathing some sort of liquid that had

1936
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,040
oxygen in it and so they were encased

1937
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,960
within some kind of liquid and the

1938
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:52,880
liquid would move along with the

1939
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:54,159
aircraft and they were in the middle of

1940
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,320
the liquid so they weren't affected by

1941
01:12:01,110 --> 01:11:58,560
the g-forces i don't know if that's true

1942
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,120
or not either there's some weird

1943
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,199
technology we don't know of that is not

1944
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,000
human or somebody's figured out how to

1945
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,719
make these things move very quickly and

1946
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,280
not have uh and not be affected by air

1947
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,679
flow or you know having a shock wave

1948
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,600
created in front of it and all that i do

1949
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,600
not know i really do think there is

1950
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,679
something non-human that interacts with

1951
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:21,679
us occasionally past that i'm not sure

1952
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:22,880
what it is and i don't know if it's

1953
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:24,560
technological or it looks to us to be

1954
01:12:29,430 --> 01:12:27,040
technological occasionally i don't know

1955
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:29,440
i think part of problem with ufos is

1956
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:32,560
the fact that human testimony

1957
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,880
eyewitness testimony can be so wrong

1958
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:37,199
sometimes about the speed of things

1959
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:38,640
about the height

1960
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,080
that there are very likely conventional

1961
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:44,320
aircraft being reported and we go back

1962
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:45,920
to a thread we have in the forums don't

1963
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,520
know if you saw it greg

1964
01:12:51,510 --> 01:12:49,679
about kenneth arnold now the key thing

1965
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:51,520
about kenneth arnold is the objects he

1966
01:12:55,350 --> 01:12:52,400
saw

1967
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:55,360
he estimated to be running at 1200 miles

1968
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,640
an hour at a time in 1947 where i think

1969
01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:00,800
the maximum speed was maybe six or seven

1970
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,120
hundred miles an hour but if he got that

1971
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:05,760
wrong by a substantial degree that

1972
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,400
aircraft could have been conventional

1973
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,719
and the entire edifice on which the

1974
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,640
early ufo mystery

1975
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,600
is

1976
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,120
based

1977
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,480
unusual

1978
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,920
yeah true but there have been so many

1979
01:13:23,110 --> 01:13:21,840
other things seen that are quite unusual

1980
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,120
that i don't think it would make a lot

1981
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,040
of difference it's just that that's what

1982
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,000
came up first and the term flying

1983
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,080
saucers came up first i had chris obeck

1984
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,679
on and he said he think he doesn't look

1985
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:33,760
at anything after 1947 because he thinks

1986
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:35,679
as soon as people started saying flying

1987
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,080
saucers that's what people expected to

1988
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:40,239
see which really screwed up the database

1989
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,840
and people still see things that aren't

1990
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,520
rounded and flying we just talked about

1991
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,120
the triangular thing there's lots of

1992
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:47,040
different shapes but i think people

1993
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,960
referring to it as that

1994
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:51,040
planted the idea that that's what people

1995
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:53,040
were seeing and i've got this idea that

1996
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:54,640
if you see something that's so strange

1997
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:56,080
you can't figure out what it is

1998
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:57,679
somewhere in your subconscious before it

1999
01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,840
gets to your conscious recollection it

2000
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,000
gets thrown into whatever

2001
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:04,239
bin that fits it and one of them is you

2002
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,400
know flying saucers round things flying

2003
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:08,400
through the air so i don't know how much

2004
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,280
you can

2005
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,040
count on people's

2006
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,840
observations of things uh doesn't mean

2007
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,600
that the data shouldn't be collected i

2008
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:16,960
think it should be collected i think it

2009
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:17,920
should be collected in a little

2010
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,400
different way uh more of a witness based

2011
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,560
more than a than a database uh what did

2012
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,080
it do how high did it go all that that

2013
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,840
stuff's important but the witness stuff

2014
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,679
is far more important because we it'd be

2015
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,760
nice to get a handle on how people

2016
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:32,000
perceive things uh what they perceive

2017
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,840
and how it affects their lives the

2018
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,440
problem is that we don't interview them

2019
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:38,239
about or sell them do we now for example

2020
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:39,840
we've had some some people won't put up

2021
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,199
with it we've had some physical

2022
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,880
researchers here look at physical

2023
01:14:46,430 --> 01:14:44,640
evidence and do investigation we had

2024
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:46,440
phyllis bunninger who was a

2025
01:14:52,709 --> 01:14:50,320
2013 mufon ufologist of the year

2026
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,719
we had chase kletzke who's a deputy

2027
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,360
director of research for investigations

2028
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,400
for a mufon and we look at what she does

2029
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,400
and they go there into a case and they

2030
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,560
interview people about the case and they

2031
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:04,880
try to get the best testimony they can

2032
01:15:09,030 --> 01:15:07,280
they very rarely do follow-ups they

2033
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:09,040
don't consider

2034
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,560
the side issues

2035
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:12,560
looking at the person they look at what

2036
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,679
they saw

2037
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:15,920
yeah the person is just incidental oh

2038
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,159
okay we're gonna get the information

2039
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:20,719
about this ufo and not about the person

2040
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:22,880
it's like someone witnesses a crime and

2041
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:24,080
you want to know about the crime you

2042
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,400
want to gather evidence of the crime but

2043
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,159
the only time you look at the witness is

2044
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,560
when the witness does something to make

2045
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:33,199
you suspect their testimony or the

2046
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:35,520
defense for someone who's being charged

2047
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,040
with the crime will look at the witness

2048
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,360
to discredit them but otherwise the

2049
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,679
witness is a non-issue yeah well in this

2050
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:43,520
case the witness is the center of the

2051
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,679
issue i think and has been from the

2052
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,920
beginning because a crime is you know if

2053
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:49,600
somebody says something somebody said

2054
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,120
something way off base when they're

2055
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,120
talking about some crime like and then a

2056
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,120
werewolf came in it's like okay you're

2057
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:57,199
insane but if something somebody says

2058
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:58,880
something way off base with you with a

2059
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,000
ufo sighting it's just filed nobody even

2060
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:03,760
thinks about it and that's where you

2061
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:05,440
really do have to listen to people like

2062
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,480
you know

2063
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,880
for example i was told recently that

2064
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,520
right before uh the what is it the papua

2065
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new guinea case the uh one with father

2066
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:15,360
gill where they saw whatever that thing

2067
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was floating over new guinea and there

2068
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was somebody up this is the late 50s i

2069
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,320
think people like standing on this

2070
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platform looking thing waving at this uh

2071
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anglican priest and the people in his

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01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:58,880
you're going to hear stuff here that you

2173
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,239
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

2174
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:04,960
that george snorri

2175
01:21:08,550 --> 01:21:06,640
i have to wonder about the sounds

2176
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:08,560
generated by greg bishop maybe he's

2177
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:11,520
taking leaving his senses okay so we're

2178
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,360
paving the introduction to this case

2179
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:15,840
where it's almost like people on a ship

2180
01:21:19,430 --> 01:21:18,080
like a physical ship a boat where

2181
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,440
they're standing up there looking at

2182
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,440
everybody and that's what i think of

2183
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:23,600
when you talk about this case yeah he

2184
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:24,960
said it looked like just some normal

2185
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,880
thing he said it's like oh i guess it's

2186
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,960
some people on a hovercraft testing

2187
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,480
something he said he thought it was

2188
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,239
something that you americans made that

2189
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,840
he told that was this is what he said to

2190
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,239
jaylen heineck but the thing is that

2191
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:38,159
apparently right before the case right

2192
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,920
before all this happened

2193
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:41,600
somebody knocked at the door of the

2194
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:43,040
building they were in that they walked

2195
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:44,480
out of to see this thing they knocked at

2196
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,080
the door and when somebody went to

2197
01:21:49,590 --> 01:21:48,080
answer the door nobody was there

2198
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,600
and you know i guess that could happen

2199
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,880
anywhere but it's a little part of the

2200
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,960
story that nobody ever talks about and

2201
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,120
it could be you know

2202
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:57,520
explore that weirdness or why did that

2203
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,400
happen

2204
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,719
but the problem with this is i mentioned

2205
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:02,239
a little bit before some people don't

2206
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:03,520
they just want to tell you their story

2207
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,800
they don't want to be scrutinized for

2208
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:07,120
the next you know five years to find out

2209
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,719
what what happened to them subsequently

2210
01:22:12,470 --> 01:22:10,480
or if their life change or whatever

2211
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:12,480
however you could ask them stuff what

2212
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:13,840
was going on beforehand were you

2213
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,520
involved in a divorce what were you

2214
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,280
doing right when the thing happened i

2215
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:19,600
had cassidy nicholas on my show she's

2216
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,840
also with mufon and i said is mufon

2217
01:22:25,270 --> 01:22:23,679
doing anything like this are they asking

2218
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,280
people she said we're trying to start

2219
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,120
asking people things like what were you

2220
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,880
doing then what were you doing just

2221
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,880
before it you know is this your normal

2222
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:32,080
routine

2223
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:33,600
was there anything weird about what you

2224
01:22:36,709 --> 01:22:34,800
were doing that day or what was

2225
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,719
happening that day they're trying to

2226
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,400
start asking different questions which

2227
01:22:42,229 --> 01:22:40,400
is good it would it'd be a really good

2228
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:42,239
thing to add to the database or good

2229
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,960
things a lot of these things if you can

2230
01:22:51,189 --> 01:22:47,760
now i worry a lot about these databases

2231
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:51,199
and we talked to peter davenport yes in

2232
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:52,639
the same connection he's got this big

2233
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:54,000
database

2234
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:55,040
he doesn't want to give it out to

2235
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,800
anybody else because he has 30 years

2236
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,120
into it mufon has a database other

2237
01:23:02,550 --> 01:23:00,800
people have databases

2238
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,560
and step number one before we do

2239
01:23:06,390 --> 01:23:03,920
anything else

2240
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,400
is to find a way in it if they're done

2241
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:08,400
in anything recent in terms of a

2242
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:11,760
off-the-shelf database program is to

2243
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:14,560
merge them to combine them to flesh out

2244
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,880
cases and one of the examples i gave say

2245
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,239
someone sees

2246
01:23:23,350 --> 01:23:20,480
a ufo in a specific city

2247
01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:23,360
and then they report to

2248
01:23:27,510 --> 01:23:25,760
national ufo reporting center somebody

2249
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,520
else in the same city

2250
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:29,920
maybe two blocks away reports the same

2251
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,320
thing or whatever they remember of it to

2252
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,040
move on but we don't know that because

2253
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,199
this data is never coordinated it's not

2254
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,360
like individuals doing searches because

2255
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,440
the search capabilities are not that

2256
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:42,960
good but if you stuck them all in one

2257
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:45,360
database a centralized thing that all

2258
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,239
the major ufo organizations set up stop

2259
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:50,320
the proprietary nonsense this is not

2260
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,560
like ios and android or os 10 and

2261
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,520
windows it is a centralized place where

2262
01:24:02,310 --> 01:23:59,920
ufo information is assembled

2263
01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,320
where people can follow up if necessary

2264
01:24:05,830 --> 01:24:04,480
but then once you have the fleshed-out

2265
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:05,840
cases

2266
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,159
hey maybe you can figure out what to do

2267
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:09,760
with that information

2268
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,000
and that's what mufon isn't doing mufon

2269
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:13,679
doesn't do any research

2270
01:24:16,950 --> 01:24:14,800
they say

2271
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:16,960
they will promote research in their

2272
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,400
goals did you notice that they say

2273
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:20,080
promote research they don't say do

2274
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,440
research

2275
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,639
so they're collecting all this

2276
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,719
information they're collectors

2277
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,400
right putting it all together

2278
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,880
but nothing's being done to say okay

2279
01:24:32,390 --> 01:24:30,400
what's it mean

2280
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,400
where are the patterns

2281
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:34,320
very little of that is done so it's

2282
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,560
great to have the data now where do we

2283
01:24:41,110 --> 01:24:38,639
go next what do you think people have to

2284
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:41,120
start messing taking the data and

2285
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:42,880
processing it in different ways and in

2286
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:44,639
crazy ways and in ways that nobody

2287
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,960
expected and without liars and things

2288
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:49,120
like that that don't make any sense

2289
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:50,880
massaging the database in ways that

2290
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:52,480
nobody has before might you know it's

2291
01:24:54,550 --> 01:24:53,600
like

2292
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,560
um

2293
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:56,400
if you can get this information you know

2294
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,199
uh

2295
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,120
what time of day was it what area of the

2296
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,679
country was it what um what was the

2297
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:03,600
weather then um

2298
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,159
what is the ethnic background of the

2299
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:08,560
person uh do they have a history of

2300
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:10,800
other things going on with them that is

2301
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:12,800
the biggest thing right there they're

2302
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,719
not being asked their past history in

2303
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:16,800
terms of paranormal events

2304
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,800
yeah well that i think that's part of

2305
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:20,719
one part of it but with the database we

2306
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,639
have now i think there are still things

2307
01:25:25,669 --> 01:25:24,239
that haven't been done with it i don't

2308
01:25:27,189 --> 01:25:25,679
know what those might be because i

2309
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,199
haven't gone through you can actually

2310
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,520
search the mufon database um cassidy

2311
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,600
nicholas told me this she also told i

2312
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,000
said mufon isn't interested in new ideas

2313
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,000
i don't think she goes well really do

2314
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:37,440
you have any i said yeah and i told her

2315
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,679
when she said send it to mufon

2316
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:42,239
well he she said that uh who's it roger

2317
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,679
marsh i don't know the man i don't even

2318
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,440
know what he's like but she said send it

2319
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:47,520
to roger and see what he says if if it

2320
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,520
looks like you have it well supported

2321
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,600
we'll support the research which is fine

2322
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:53,360
you know i don't hate mufon the way i

2323
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,719
used to

2324
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,400
i just think that

2325
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,480
if you want to have really good work

2326
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,600
done

2327
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,600
you probably have to have small groups

2328
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,600
who can move quickly or can

2329
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:05,280
move quickly in the way they think about

2330
01:26:09,750 --> 01:26:07,440
things rather than be bogged down with

2331
01:26:11,510 --> 01:26:09,760
you know people that have certain ideas

2332
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,520
and i've actually talked to people

2333
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:13,679
who've gone to mufon music and they said

2334
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,120
and they've said things like there's a

2335
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,719
lot of younger people that are kind of

2336
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:18,320
tired of the the way things are being

2337
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,520
done and they want to do different

2338
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:21,360
things which is good i hope they do

2339
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,560
those things

2340
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,480
um but the best thing that mufon could

2341
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,280
do now is basically to like is is to be

2342
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:29,280
a repository of information and to make

2343
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:31,040
that information freely available to

2344
01:26:34,470 --> 01:26:32,320
everyone which

2345
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,480
she said they do they do and if you and

2346
01:26:38,550 --> 01:26:36,719
they do i think it's limited to like 50

2347
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,560
cases if you go to their database but if

2348
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,920
you she said if you come to them with a

2349
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,360
research problem and you say i need to

2350
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,440
look at your entire database and i need

2351
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:44,960
to look at it for these things i go go

2352
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:47,199
right ahead as far as i know i haven't

2353
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:48,719
tried to do it

2354
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,800
um so i'm not as down on the large

2355
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:53,120
organizations that i used to be however

2356
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,800
i think the small organizations the

2357
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,480
individuals and you know the groups of

2358
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:58,159
five or six people

2359
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,840
i think really exciting stuff will come

2360
01:27:02,310 --> 01:27:01,360
out of that in the next five or ten

2361
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:02,320
years

2362
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,679
because they don't have any strictures

2363
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,800
on them and they can they can

2364
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:06,719
communicate through the internet

2365
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,960
and um share information and data and

2366
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,400
all that and

2367
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,920
as soon as they find something out throw

2368
01:27:15,270 --> 01:27:13,520
that out into the public and see if it

2369
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:15,280
could be reproduced by somebody else

2370
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:16,800
somebody else can follow up on it and

2371
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,600
take it further there's ideas that i

2372
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,880
haven't thought of and a lot of people

2373
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,400
haven't thought of that i'm sure people

2374
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:25,520
are working on right now quietly i hope

2375
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,040
and then at some point they will release

2376
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:29,760
that information what one problem weird

2377
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,760
problem i think is that

2378
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:34,159
once people start finding out

2379
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,480
what they think the ufo thing is it

2380
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:39,280
might only work for them

2381
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,600
a la whitley strieber in his uh

2382
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,840
democratic thing until we get some

2383
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,600
different understanding of reality and

2384
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,400
and uh are a different model of it i i

2385
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:50,239
think we're going to be stuck in in in

2386
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:52,080
the way that we look at it that you know

2387
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,520
people and people really have to get

2388
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,719
away from the

2389
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,159
aliens coming from other planets and

2390
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:59,280
structured crafting may be true but

2391
01:28:02,629 --> 01:28:00,800
let's look at other stuff and i think

2392
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,639
people are doing that

2393
01:28:07,830 --> 01:28:04,800
question from techno mage in our forums

2394
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:07,840
at forum.thepowercast.com

2395
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:10,159
and that is you've seen these already so

2396
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,000
i know that nothing i say comes as a

2397
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:14,320
surprise to you what's your favorite

2398
01:28:19,510 --> 01:28:17,440
case one that you find to be the most

2399
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,520
mysterious

2400
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,760
well there's dif different

2401
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:23,520
favorite and mysterious are different

2402
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,760
things to me

2403
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,560
um let's see a favorite case always like

2404
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:30,719
the joe simons in case love that case

2405
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,000
the one with this with the space

2406
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:34,159
pancakes and let's go back into that

2407
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,520
before you go on

2408
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,560
so

2409
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:38,880
this saucer lands on this guy's

2410
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,440
wisconsin farm he doesn't see it land he

2411
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,440
hears a noise outside okay here's a

2412
01:28:46,149 --> 01:28:44,560
noise

2413
01:28:48,310 --> 01:28:46,159
but i didn't say that i just said lands

2414
01:28:49,669 --> 01:28:48,320
i didn't say he saw it land okay so this

2415
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,679
craft lands

2416
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:51,600
and he sees the craft after hearing the

2417
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,560
noise he seems like a pretty simple

2418
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,639
farmer you know salt of the earth kind

2419
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:58,719
of guy in wisconsin okay

2420
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:00,560
yeah and he sees they're cooking

2421
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:03,120
something and he motions towards it and

2422
01:29:08,790 --> 01:29:06,080
they hand them these rather stiff

2423
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:08,800
greasy pancakes so we know that e.t well

2424
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:10,719
they're not very good cooks

2425
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:12,239
but what's your perception do you think

2426
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,840
it's somebody's big joke on him

2427
01:29:19,830 --> 01:29:17,840
i don't know what happened with that i

2428
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,840
think what happened was something very

2429
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,520
strange happened to him and his mind

2430
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,199
formed it into something that made sense

2431
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,360
to him the first thing they did was ask

2432
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,960
give him a jug and ask him to go get

2433
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,639
water so he filled water up like in his

2434
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,920
kitchen or something and brought it back

2435
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:31,520
to them and then they gave him the

2436
01:29:35,990 --> 01:29:32,960
little pancake things and then he said

2437
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:36,000
he saw the thing rise up and leave

2438
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,600
but yeah he looked at through some open

2439
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,880
door or something on the side and there

2440
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:41,120
were people cooking on a flameless grill

2441
01:29:44,310 --> 01:29:42,719
or somebody was and somebody else

2442
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:44,320
appeared to be sitting in a chair maybe

2443
01:29:48,070 --> 01:29:45,920
they were a pilot or something and the

2444
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,080
entire inside of the aircraft was like

2445
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,840
this matte black

2446
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:51,679
everything was black and the entire

2447
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,159
outside he said was shiny and almost

2448
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,159
mirror-like i think

2449
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:58,080
there is an essay on this in the book

2450
01:30:02,540 --> 01:30:00,400
actually about the symbolic uh uh

2451
01:30:03,830 --> 01:30:02,550
implications of joe simonton's sighting

2452
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:03,840
[Laughter]

2453
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:06,000
symbolic implications you know what we

2454
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,520
have about 20 seconds left with this

2455
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:09,679
segment i'm going to ask you that before

2456
01:30:15,270 --> 01:30:12,400
we go on to other questions and things

2457
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:15,280
what are these symbolic aspects

2458
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,880
of the joe simonson case

2459
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,880
other than the pancakes which didn't

2460
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,880
taste very good except that the e.t

2461
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needs some cooking lessons that's really

2462
01:30:29,669 --> 01:30:26,960
yeah what it's all about maybe they got

2463
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,679
spoiled pancake mix

2464
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greg bishop is here with gina and chris

2465
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to sustain you for more than a week they

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just don't have enough nutrition to do

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[Music]

2574
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,679
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

2575
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2576
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listening to the peercast

2577
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[Music]

2578
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,560
okay greg bishop back to joe simonton

2579
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:15,360
eagle river wisconsin i remember that i

2580
01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:16,880
remember him being interviewed on the

2581
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:19,120
long john neville radio show

2582
01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,400
okay so

2583
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,639
what else can you point to here

2584
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,960
symbolism about joe simonton

2585
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:27,280
i found the passage i wrote about it on

2586
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,040
in the book it is not very long it's

2587
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,679
like two paragraphs i will read it

2588
01:35:35,189 --> 01:35:33,040
because i otherwise i'm going to get

2589
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,199
confused i will confuse myself what i

2590
01:35:39,510 --> 01:35:37,199
said was any attempt to interpret this

2591
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:39,520
episode logically obviously falls flat

2592
01:35:43,590 --> 01:35:41,600
many have tried but it's a dead end if

2593
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:43,600
we hypothesize a bit on the basic

2594
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:45,040
elements of the story we can come up

2595
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:46,320
with a few

2596
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:48,000
interesting things one the thing

2597
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:49,679
apparently came from and went back to

2598
01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,840
the sky many things we associate with

2599
01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:54,000
god's unseen forces and the unknown

2600
01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,000
reside in the heavens two the men didn't

2601
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:58,080
say a word to simonton talking about

2602
01:36:01,669 --> 01:35:59,600
things often robs them of open

2603
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:01,679
interpretation and ultimate personal

2604
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:03,120
meaning many religious disciplines

2605
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,520
stress the value of silence three he was

2606
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,520
given three plain they turned out to be

2607
01:36:11,830 --> 01:36:10,080
ordinary wheat gluten flat wafers i do

2608
01:36:13,669 --> 01:36:11,840
not need to emphasize the symbolism of

2609
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:13,679
holy wafers and the more widespread act

2610
01:36:17,910 --> 01:36:15,440
of ingesting food and drink that's

2611
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:17,920
alleged to have mystic powers okay so

2612
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:21,120
this spaceship was run by catholics yes

2613
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:23,440
exactly four the outer part of the craft

2614
01:36:27,030 --> 01:36:25,199
was brighter than chrome in quotes

2615
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,040
according to simonton while the interior

2616
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,199
was black the men were dressed in black

2617
01:36:33,110 --> 01:36:31,280
outfits with black caps they were

2618
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:33,120
mennonites yes

2619
01:36:37,270 --> 01:36:35,360
shining truth on the outside contrast of

2620
01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,280
the occulted secretive black on the

2621
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,199
inside brings up images of spiritual

2622
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,960
promise contrasted with the more

2623
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:42,800
difficult to grasp truths within any

2624
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,719
path to true understanding

2625
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:46,159
that's just a couple things off the top

2626
01:36:49,109 --> 01:36:47,360
of my head when i just said let's look

2627
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,119
at the joe simondo thing and not look at

2628
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:51,040
it as some strange thing that happened

2629
01:36:55,270 --> 01:36:52,800
to somebody that seems really weird but

2630
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:55,280
let's let's look at the symbolic uh

2631
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,840
aspects of it and what that opens up

2632
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:59,360
that happens in a lot of close encounter

2633
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:01,040
cases you can look at it in a symbolic

2634
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:03,040
way and it becomes it becomes a

2635
01:37:05,669 --> 01:37:04,159
different kind of a lesson in a

2636
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:05,679
different kind of a story

2637
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,000
well in the case of joe simonton it was

2638
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,560
looked as a big joke ho ho ho the aliens

2639
01:37:14,229 --> 01:37:13,040
company hand them these horrible tasting

2640
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:14,239
pancakes

2641
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:16,639
and no one looks beyond that because we

2642
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:17,760
have this

2643
01:37:22,470 --> 01:37:20,159
relatively simple guy who evidently was

2644
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:22,480
not seeking fame and fortune it's just

2645
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,920
something that happened that he couldn't

2646
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:25,119
understand

2647
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,800
and he told us about it of course you

2648
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:29,199
could look at the pancakes and see now

2649
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:30,000
in

2650
01:37:38,629 --> 01:37:37,920
somebody

2651
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:38,639
no

2652
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:40,239
i don't think so

2653
01:37:43,990 --> 01:37:41,440
people

2654
01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:44,000
give the military a lot more credit for

2655
01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:45,199
a lot of things than i think they

2656
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,480
deserve

2657
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:48,719
um i think very strange things happen to

2658
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,440
people all the time and

2659
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,560
it has nothing to do with the

2660
01:37:55,830 --> 01:37:54,560
authorities in fact it make it scares

2661
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:55,840
the authorities which is kind of the

2662
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:57,600
reason why i like all this weird stuff

2663
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:59,040
because there's a bunch of people

2664
01:38:01,669 --> 01:38:00,400
telling us the way that things should be

2665
01:38:02,950 --> 01:38:01,679
and then there's these weird stories

2666
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:02,960
about stuff that

2667
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,639
are not the way things are supposed to

2668
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:06,560
be and that you know that's exciting

2669
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:08,000
it's exciting to a lot of people i think

2670
01:38:11,910 --> 01:38:09,520
that might be the you know one of the

2671
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,920
roots of interest in the ufo stuff and

2672
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,480
paranormal stuff is because somebody

2673
01:38:17,590 --> 01:38:16,000
something somewhere showing us that we

2674
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,600
don't know everything

2675
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:19,760
well therefore as ray palmer said many

2676
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:20,639
times

2677
01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:23,920
flying saucers are here to make us think

2678
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:24,800
yes

2679
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,480
i i think they are and a lot of these

2680
01:38:30,430 --> 01:38:28,320
things flying saucers the close

2681
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,440
encounters that come from them even

2682
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,480
cryptozoological stuff it's here to make

2683
01:38:36,629 --> 01:38:35,040
us think and and push us forward bud

2684
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:36,639
hopkins no matter what you think about

2685
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:37,760
him i've

2686
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:40,239
taped of a video of him lecturing years

2687
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:43,840
ago like 90 no

2688
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,320
or 86 something like that and he said

2689
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:47,840
the one quote i remember from him and he

2690
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,840
said his ufos are dragging us kicking

2691
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,199
and screaming into the science of the

2692
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,280
21st century i don't know if it's drag

2693
01:38:57,669 --> 01:38:55,440
is kicking screaming to the science

2694
01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,679
but the the problems brought up by it

2695
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,360
don't make any sense in the way that

2696
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,760
we've been taught to make sense

2697
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:03,360
so i think we have to make sense in a

2698
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:06,080
different way or you know or embrace the

2699
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,760
nonsense and see where that takes us so

2700
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:09,600
you know hence my little thing about

2701
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,000
simon's in there well i think if you go

2702
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:13,360
back and if you can even get the

2703
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:14,880
magazines anymore

2704
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:17,920
go back to ray palmer's flying saucers

2705
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,080
and search this is after he

2706
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,159
split off from fate magazine

2707
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,560
and he talked about holes at the polls

2708
01:39:27,350 --> 01:39:26,480
and he talked about all sorts of crazy

2709
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,360
things

2710
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:29,760
and he presented theories

2711
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,840
not necessarily that they're to be taken

2712
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,119
literally

2713
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:35,600
but to think about possibilities

2714
01:39:38,870 --> 01:39:37,199
and a lot of people think he was just

2715
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,880
putting us i remember

2716
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,639
one of his close friends that i talked

2717
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:42,320
to quite a few times

2718
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,600
in the 60s late 60s early 70s otto

2719
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,760
binder who's well known as a science

2720
01:39:52,390 --> 01:39:50,080
fiction writer he was a comic book

2721
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:52,400
writer who wrote captain america with

2722
01:39:56,310 --> 01:39:53,520
stan lee

2723
01:40:00,310 --> 01:39:56,320
the original shazam captain marvel and

2724
01:40:02,310 --> 01:40:00,320
in 1959 created or co-created supergirl

2725
01:40:04,390 --> 01:40:02,320
yeah and he was close with ray palmer

2726
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:04,400
and he said you know he's just

2727
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,000
saying this stuff

2728
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:08,320
to get people to respond in the letters

2729
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:10,400
to the editor column

2730
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,040
and start debates back and forth that's

2731
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,280
it but i think palmer had a deeper

2732
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,119
purpose in mind here

2733
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,520
again that was to get you to think about

2734
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,840
possibilities because that's a way to

2735
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:23,600
advance the discussion if it's just

2736
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,119
spaceships and

2737
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:27,119
the next sighting you get bored with

2738
01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,119
that pretty easily i know that

2739
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,880
in the old days i was working with jim

2740
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:32,960
mosley over at saucer news

2741
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:34,880
and he told me frankly i'm bored with

2742
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,840
sightings you know unless there's

2743
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:37,679
something extraordinary or strange about

2744
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,560
them

2745
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:40,239
it's the same old thing

2746
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:42,080
but the problem i have with a place like

2747
01:40:47,350 --> 01:40:44,960
mufon and i hope they're getting more

2748
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:47,360
open to different possibilities now the

2749
01:40:52,310 --> 01:40:49,280
problem i have is that's where they went

2750
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,320
their growth has been stunted since 1969

2751
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,080
it's just okay you see something strange

2752
01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,560
in the sky maybe it lands get the

2753
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:59,040
description let's go on to the next case

2754
01:41:02,229 --> 01:41:00,719
yeah i think they're trying to change

2755
01:41:04,629 --> 01:41:02,239
that i hope they are according to

2756
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,639
cassidy who i had on my show they are

2757
01:41:08,870 --> 01:41:06,880
trying to change that and i've seen a

2758
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:08,880
little bit of evidence of that

2759
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,119
well i have asked chris to invite his

2760
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:13,600
friend jan harzam the international

2761
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,239
director of mufon back on let's talk to

2762
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:18,239
him now in connection with that here's

2763
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,480
another thing as you know chris has his

2764
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:23,040
project san luis valley project

2765
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:25,600
mark rodiger of the center for ufo

2766
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,119
studies working with leslie kane and

2767
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:30,080
others has a ufo data project and we

2768
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,600
have this cubesat from canada we had a

2769
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:35,119
guest on to talk about that that's going

2770
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:37,840
to be a ufo detection system in low

2771
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:40,239
orbit and apparently it's all scheduled

2772
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:42,880
already to go up next year and we have

2773
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,840
the projects for possible ufo detectors

2774
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,600
and now because of the technology the

2775
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,119
fact that you can get a

2776
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,880
personal computer in your pocket it's

2777
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:52,960
not super expensive to create these

2778
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:55,440
systems do you think if we

2779
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:56,480
send up

2780
01:42:01,990 --> 01:42:00,239
ufo detectors in orbit or put them in

2781
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:02,000
places where there's a lot of activity

2782
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:03,040
around the

2783
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,719
earth do you think they'll actually find

2784
01:42:07,669 --> 01:42:06,639
something or will the phenomenon just go

2785
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,679
elsewhere

2786
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,040
they'll find something it'll be

2787
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:10,480
inconclusive

2788
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,920
that's what i think

2789
01:42:14,629 --> 01:42:13,360
i don't think they shouldn't do it

2790
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:14,639
because there's always the chance that

2791
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:16,800
something incredible and cool and

2792
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,800
earth-shaking could happen

2793
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:20,719
however you know if we haven't got a

2794
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,719
good picture of anything at this point

2795
01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:24,560
and you know

2796
01:42:29,430 --> 01:42:26,239
unless they have different cameras on it

2797
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,440
different wavelengths got you know radar

2798
01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:31,440
and all kinds of things going on i don't

2799
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,040
know if just a picture is going to

2800
01:42:37,030 --> 01:42:35,679
convince anybody of anything it might

2801
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:37,040
who knows

2802
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,560
although i i think a lot of people would

2803
01:42:42,650 --> 01:42:40,320
agree with me the more clear the picture

2804
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,660
is the more i tend to think it's fake

2805
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,000
[Laughter]

2806
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:46,560
this is the pro problem with this thing

2807
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:49,520
and that is when there are photos

2808
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,159
99 of the time it's blurry

2809
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:54,000
when you do see something it could be

2810
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:56,159
something where it could be an adamski

2811
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:57,440
photo

2812
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,119
they've got what

2813
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,280
light bulbs or something as the base for

2814
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,520
the ufos yeah by the way i heard from

2815
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,760
somebody who wanted to come on the power

2816
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:08,719
cast

2817
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:11,119
and tell us about george adamski and all

2818
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:12,880
the great things he did

2819
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:14,880
and i wrote back and i said

2820
01:43:19,990 --> 01:43:16,800
didn't you know this was proven to be a

2821
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:20,000
hoax years ago it was shown to be a hoax

2822
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:22,400
it was exposed and i pointed her to the

2823
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:26,000
adamski expose issue from 1957 that yeah

2824
01:43:30,629 --> 01:43:28,719
we have posted at jimmosley.com that

2825
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,639
kurt collins put up there

2826
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,400
i haven't heard back from her

2827
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,119
but i think she really didn't expect

2828
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:37,600
that reaction i mean people jump into

2829
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:39,119
this field

2830
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,320
and something

2831
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:42,400
catches their interest

2832
01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:44,480
and they are oblivious

2833
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,080
to what has gone before so they just

2834
01:43:50,709 --> 01:43:48,880
simply repeat the same old mistakes

2835
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,719
well the thing is it

2836
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:53,280
you know this the idea i got from robert

2837
01:43:59,350 --> 01:43:55,360
anton wilson a long time ago was which

2838
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:59,360
was to examine everything and

2839
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,040
but believe nothing

2840
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,440
and especially with the ufo thing i mean

2841
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,400
i try to be as agnostic as possible like

2842
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:09,040
to the point where people get mad at me

2843
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,480
like well i don't have an idea about

2844
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,480
that and you know there's a few things

2845
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,679
actually there's quite a few things

2846
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,520
where i think absolute crap don't worry

2847
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:17,760
about that there's a very tiny few

2848
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:18,960
things that i think that's very

2849
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:21,119
interesting and it's uh and it's uh

2850
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:23,360
unknown and

2851
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:24,880
you know further thought is needed on

2852
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:27,360
this and for the research and you know

2853
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,360
and we may never get the answer but

2854
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,960
that's that that's not the point i think

2855
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,560
the point is to

2856
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,800
attack it from as many different

2857
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:37,360
angles as possible um

2858
01:44:40,149 --> 01:44:38,639
and maybe there'll be some you know

2859
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,159
maybe somebody will find something out

2860
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,880
or maybe there'll be a uh a synthesis of

2861
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,159
different things

2862
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,480
um and like ray barker said i think in

2863
01:44:49,830 --> 01:44:48,159
one of his speeches and i think i said

2864
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,840
this in the book too is like if if

2865
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,520
you're looking for the ufos look within

2866
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:52,719
yourself and that's where you'll find

2867
01:44:56,870 --> 01:44:55,280
them um that he said that in the 50s i

2868
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,880
think a few other people did too and

2869
01:44:59,350 --> 01:44:58,639
what the implication of that is to me is

2870
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,360
that

2871
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,679
our perceptions and our expectations and

2872
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:03,679
our hopes and fears and all this other

2873
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,280
stuff and our basic you know

2874
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:08,880
genetics the way we're racing all that

2875
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:11,600
has a huge impact on how we

2876
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:14,159
perceive

2877
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:16,480
report process the information remember

2878
01:45:20,790 --> 01:45:19,840
retail stories about ufos we have greg

2879
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:20,800
bishop

2880
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:22,560
more to come with jean and chris you're

2881
01:45:34,750 --> 01:45:33,430
paracast thank you for listening to gcn

2882
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:34,760
be sure to visit

2883
01:45:39,270 --> 01:45:37,440
gcnlive.com today

2884
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,280
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2885
01:45:42,629 --> 01:45:41,280
was a critically acclaimed success and

2886
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,639
now there is the coming of the

2887
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,560
protectors a former military

2888
01:45:48,870 --> 01:45:46,719
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2889
01:45:51,510 --> 01:45:48,880
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2890
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,520
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2891
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,119
her distant planet are planning to

2892
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,360
conquer the earth this is gripping

2893
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,840
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2894
01:46:01,790 --> 01:45:59,760
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2895
01:46:03,990 --> 01:46:01,800
the protectors find out more at

2896
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,000
rockoids.com that's rockoites

2897
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2898
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2899
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2900
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2901
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2902
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2903
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2905
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2909
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2910
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[Music]

2911
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:43,840
december 7

2912
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:45,679
1941

2913
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:49,600
a date which will live in infamy 75

2914
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:51,920
years ago america suffered one of the

2915
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,639
worst moments in american history

2916
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:57,119
the attack on pearl harbor

2917
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now you can remember december 7th 1941

2918
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2919
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2920
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2921
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2922
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2923
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2924
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2925
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2926
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:28,239
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2927
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2928
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2929
01:47:40,250 --> 01:47:46,149
[Music]

2930
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:49,350
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2931
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:53,040
standard of paranormal radio

2932
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:54,320
and now

2933
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:03,030
he's trying to speak fast

2934
01:48:07,350 --> 01:48:05,450
well last time i did i went smoking

2935
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:07,360
[Laughter]

2936
01:48:11,189 --> 01:48:09,679
oh speak very

2937
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:11,199
smooth

2938
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:14,000
my power is running low

2939
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,159
sounds like the end of strawberry fields

2940
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:17,920
forever where people think he really

2941
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,280
said i buried paul yeah strawberry sauce

2942
01:48:23,510 --> 01:48:22,560
i can't remember what it was supposed to

2943
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:23,520
be

2944
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,800
doesn't matter

2945
01:48:28,629 --> 01:48:26,800
we have to now when people report ufo

2946
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:28,639
sightings what we do is

2947
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,360
we

2948
01:48:33,109 --> 01:48:30,880
record

2949
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:33,119
what they said and then we play it

2950
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,400
backwards

2951
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:37,360
who do i don't know you know it's funny

2952
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,840
ozil you're making i don't know i'm just

2953
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:41,520
making it up as i go along that's how i

2954
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,199
love that idea it's completely

2955
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:45,280
ridiculous and it's and it's uh that's

2956
01:48:48,390 --> 01:48:46,800
exactly what we need

2957
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,400
okay so it's gonna be like john lennon

2958
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,880
used to do with music or he'd play

2959
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,719
musical instruments backwards and see

2960
01:48:57,590 --> 01:48:55,040
what happens so maybe we take a whitley

2961
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:57,600
strieber talking about his encounters

2962
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,440
with the visitors

2963
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:01,040
and play it backwards

2964
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,639
see the mistake people would make is

2965
01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:04,239
that there's a message there that he

2966
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,360
didn't know that was there that

2967
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:07,040
subconscious

2968
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:08,800
i don't think that's the answer i mean

2969
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:10,239
that i don't think people even could

2970
01:49:15,109 --> 01:49:12,800
think in that way what the the point is

2971
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:15,119
is that you would hear something in

2972
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:16,960
there that would just set your mind off

2973
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,320
in another direction that might be

2974
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:20,000
fruitful do you know how i came up with

2975
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:21,920
the idea for the i couldn't think of a

2976
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:24,000
title for the book for months

2977
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:25,280
for three or four months while i was

2978
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,880
trying to put it all together

2979
01:49:30,390 --> 01:49:28,800
and in desperation at the very last

2980
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:30,400
minute and when red pill is saying i

2981
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:32,080
need a title here so i can give you your

2982
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:33,600
graphic for the cover

2983
01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,080
i said okay i took the introduction to

2984
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,400
the book and i put it in an online cut

2985
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:40,560
up generator which means it just takes

2986
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:42,159
everything you wrote and reshuffles all

2987
01:49:44,390 --> 01:49:42,880
the

2988
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,400
words randomly

2989
01:49:48,149 --> 01:49:46,000
and i just sat there and read what came

2990
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:48,159
out and none of it made any real sense

2991
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,920
and i wrote down any phrase that came to

2992
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:51,440
my mind while i was reading this whether

2993
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:53,040
it was printed there or that a phrase

2994
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:54,480
that came to my mind by reading it and

2995
01:49:58,570 --> 01:49:56,159
one of the phrases that came up was it

2996
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,580
defies language and i said that's it

2997
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,880
[Laughter]

2998
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:02,960
you can't figure it out it defies

2999
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,320
language

3000
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,400
i like the title because one i think the

3001
01:50:10,229 --> 01:50:08,480
the the uh what we're trying to describe

3002
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:10,239
with ufo stuff and a few other weird

3003
01:50:13,830 --> 01:50:12,000
things i write about in the book

3004
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:13,840
we are hamstrung by the language to

3005
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,000
describe it because it already limits

3006
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:17,520
how we're going to think about it and

3007
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,719
the other funny thing is it's a book

3008
01:50:21,630 --> 01:50:20,400
called it defies language as it was made

3009
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:21,640
which is made up of words

3010
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:23,600
[Laughter]

3011
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:25,920
so you can't say it

3012
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:27,360
but you have to write a book about what

3013
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:28,560
you can't say

3014
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,159
yes well it's like you know you can

3015
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,440
think of it like an artwork or like

3016
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:32,960
poetry it's trying to say something that

3017
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:34,320
can't be said

3018
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:35,679
you know by

3019
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,159
by writing around it and and and uh

3020
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:39,840
dancing around it in different ways and

3021
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,920
hoping that occasionally you poke at

3022
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,400
what the essence of the thing is

3023
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,880
if i if that makes any sense

3024
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:49,040
if it doesn't we'll pretend it does

3025
01:50:54,350 --> 01:50:51,520
yeah i i really feel do feel like that

3026
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:54,360
that we that a creative approach and a

3027
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:57,440
non-specific or non-direct approach

3028
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,400
is

3029
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:00,239
part of you know it would be very

3030
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:02,880
interesting to do that in a sustained

3031
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,560
concentrated way

3032
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,400
uh and i think

3033
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:09,119
certain people can probably do it um

3034
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,480
and maybe they'll report something

3035
01:51:14,870 --> 01:51:12,239
interesting back to us

3036
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:14,880
so it it i think if you approach it in

3037
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:17,760
kind of an oblique way off to the side

3038
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:20,159
and not meet it head on and say what is

3039
01:51:22,870 --> 01:51:22,000
this thing it's got to have an answer

3040
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,880
you know

3041
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:24,639
i i think some of the answers may be

3042
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,159
hiding in a in a non-direct approach

3043
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,639
that's just one of my ideas now you're a

3044
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,159
pretty good writer

3045
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,119
thank you but despite that you opted to

3046
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:37,040
publish this book

3047
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:39,040
yourself any reason why you didn't go to

3048
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:40,880
a traditional publisher

3049
01:51:44,470 --> 01:51:42,719
uh one i didn't think anybody be

3050
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:44,480
interested in it really enough to

3051
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:46,080
publish it which i don't know if i'm

3052
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:49,119
right or not and two uh i wanted to see

3053
01:51:53,189 --> 01:51:50,880
if i could do it myself

3054
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:53,199
and three and this is completely you

3055
01:51:56,950 --> 01:51:55,360
know probably why most people one of the

3056
01:51:58,110 --> 01:51:56,960
reasons most people do is i want to keep

3057
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:58,120
more of the money from it

3058
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:59,280
[Laughter]

3059
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,639
if you go to a traditional publisher

3060
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,400
it's they've got through a whole thing

3061
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:04,159
if you get a bestseller or sell

3062
01:52:08,229 --> 01:52:06,000
something or a few things that that do

3063
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,239
really well you can do okay with it i

3064
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,080
might not do another self-published book

3065
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,960
but this one was it was kind of a job to

3066
01:52:16,149 --> 01:52:14,639
figure out but

3067
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:16,159
um it was one of those things where it's

3068
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,679
like i did it actually you know the

3069
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:19,520
thing looks good it looks to me i think

3070
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:21,280
it looks like a regular professionally

3071
01:52:24,229 --> 01:52:22,480
published book it doesn't look

3072
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,239
self-published and a great part of that

3073
01:52:26,629 --> 01:52:25,520
is due to red pill like i said at the

3074
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:26,639
beginning

3075
01:52:29,830 --> 01:52:27,440
now

3076
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:29,840
i want to mention one little segment of

3077
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,199
the book

3078
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:33,520
and it's long john nebel the art bell of

3079
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:36,400
the 1950s and as you say correctly in

3080
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:37,440
the book

3081
01:52:41,189 --> 01:52:40,000
most fans of coast to coast am aren't

3082
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,199
aware

3083
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:43,199
that late night paranormal radio is

3084
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:45,040
nothing new

3085
01:52:48,950 --> 01:52:45,840
that

3086
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:48,960
it started in the mid 50s with a former

3087
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:50,639
carnival barker

3088
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:54,159
named of long john neville yeah

3089
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:55,040
and

3090
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:56,639
this is something

3091
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:58,639
that i would know because my brother was

3092
01:53:03,910 --> 01:53:01,360
once on that show one time

3093
01:53:05,990 --> 01:53:03,920
he came on that show this is maybe when

3094
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:06,000
he was in his early 20s and i think they

3095
01:53:09,270 --> 01:53:07,520
wanted him back but he didn't really

3096
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,280
want to stay up all night

3097
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:11,040
he was working during the day he was

3098
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:13,920
inventing retin-a i'm serious yeah the

3099
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:16,400
acne medicine he was the inventor of

3100
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:19,199
retin-a he invented reached toothbrushes

3101
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,199
when he worked with johnson and johnson

3102
01:53:25,109 --> 01:53:23,280
so all these companies own the own the

3103
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:25,119
uh patents so he doesn't make any money

3104
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:26,400
off it damn it right

3105
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:28,080
it doesn't matter he's been dead for 20

3106
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,920
years oh okay

3107
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:32,000
anyway what was he doing on neville i

3108
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,840
don't know i think he had an interest in

3109
01:53:36,870 --> 01:53:36,000
some of this stuff also

3110
01:53:39,270 --> 01:53:36,880
one of

3111
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:39,280
long john's close friends as you and i

3112
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:42,960
know was jackie gleason jackie gleason

3113
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,760
was really really deep into ufos but he

3114
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:46,960
was also

3115
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,080
a pretty skeptical guy i mean he didn't

3116
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:52,080
take fools gladly

3117
01:53:54,950 --> 01:53:53,119
yeah

3118
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:54,960
there was a there is a and i think you

3119
01:53:58,149 --> 01:53:56,960
can find it online somewhere

3120
01:54:02,550 --> 01:53:58,159
um

3121
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,560
if i find it i'll put the link up but

3122
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:05,440
it's a show with uh jackie gleason

3123
01:54:09,910 --> 01:54:07,679
calling in and talking to gray barker

3124
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,920
and gray barker's joking with him

3125
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,599
because that's what gray barker did and

3126
01:54:15,990 --> 01:54:14,400
gleeson is getting pissed at him

3127
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,000
it's like you know he keeps saying you

3128
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:17,840
know why can't you be straight with me

3129
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:20,000
why would you say that and he's like and

3130
01:54:23,589 --> 01:54:22,000
parker's like calm down i'm just messing

3131
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:23,599
around dude

3132
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:25,599
and that makes gleason even more pissed

3133
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:30,550
he didn't know about gray barker and

3134
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,320
what gray barker was but i agree with

3135
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:34,880
you he's very serious about this as

3136
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:37,599
funny as he could be on tv and in his

3137
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:39,199
early movie career

3138
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,080
brilliant comedian yep i mean really

3139
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:44,080
incredible created memorable characters

3140
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:45,520
of course we only think about ralph

3141
01:54:49,189 --> 01:54:46,719
cramden

3142
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:49,199
yeah but there were a number of others

3143
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,520
reginald van gleesen for example kind of

3144
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:52,800
poking fun

3145
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:58,080
mitt romney

3146
01:55:02,229 --> 01:54:59,840
although

3147
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:02,239
he didn't know about mitt romney

3148
01:55:07,669 --> 01:55:05,440
donald trump uh 50 years ago so

3149
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:07,679
well the problem is here donald trump is

3150
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:09,599
poking fun on himself the point being

3151
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:12,400
here is that long john nebel

3152
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,760
was a showman

3153
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:15,679
yes and sometimes he pulls stunts on the

3154
01:55:18,709 --> 01:55:16,800
air

3155
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,719
like for example one time grey barker is

3156
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:20,880
talking about the men in black and he

3157
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:22,960
said something about oh well you know

3158
01:55:27,350 --> 01:55:25,040
none of that stuff's happening here and

3159
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:27,360
immediately the show stops and music

3160
01:55:30,870 --> 01:55:29,599
goes on and they pretend that they got a

3161
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:30,880
phone call

3162
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:32,800
from somebody in management saying take

3163
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:39,589
and it's one of the famous stunts that

3164
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,440
long john pulled because

3165
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:43,440
he i don't know if he had a personal

3166
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:45,760
interest in ufos or only thought it was

3167
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:46,800
fodder

3168
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:48,159
for ratings

3169
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:50,320
success

3170
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:52,400
i don't know i mean i met the guy a few

3171
01:55:55,430 --> 01:55:53,280
times

3172
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:55,440
and he was a pretty nasty dude

3173
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,390
nasty is the pope catholic

3174
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,320
well i never met the man i have no idea

3175
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,560
i mean what do you mean nasty he was

3176
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:08,719
like rude and and horrible with people

3177
01:56:11,910 --> 01:56:09,520
or

3178
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:11,920
he could be rude he could be sarcastic

3179
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:12,840
oh

3180
01:56:18,070 --> 01:56:16,320
okay yes but the thing is that uh

3181
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:18,080
i had i've had discussions with people

3182
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:20,000
about this like what

3183
01:56:23,830 --> 01:56:22,239
what kind of person makes a really good

3184
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:23,840
entertainer sometimes they're people you

3185
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:25,199
don't want to hang out with or want to

3186
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:26,480
be friends with

3187
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,639
but they're great entertainers

3188
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:30,239
um and that's what neville was doing he

3189
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,880
was entertaining people first

3190
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:34,400
like like i said in the article i think

3191
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,080
somewhere he is his quote was i don't

3192
01:56:40,310 --> 01:56:38,159
buy the gaff he didn't he didn't believe

3193
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:40,320
any of the stuff that was on his show

3194
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,239
he just he just thought it was really

3195
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:44,080
good radio and he was right and the

3196
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:45,119
funny thing is that most people

3197
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,199
listening to a show did buy it all which

3198
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:49,280
he thought was uproariously funny

3199
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:52,159
exactly and when you ask him about his

3200
01:56:58,390 --> 01:56:55,040
belief he'd say for example i have no

3201
01:57:00,310 --> 01:56:58,400
doubt that ufos are spaceships

3202
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:00,320
but that doesn't mean i believe ufos or

3203
01:57:07,270 --> 01:57:04,950
i mean it was really tricky the things

3204
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:07,280
he would do the word games he would play

3205
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,639
and this is a guy i don't even think he

3206
01:57:12,310 --> 01:57:10,400
even made it into high school

3207
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:12,320
the key is here is that there would be

3208
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:13,679
no art bell

3209
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:15,840
doing coast to coast am

3210
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,159
and talking about the paranormal if

3211
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:20,560
there wasn't the example set first by a

3212
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:23,119
long john nibble in the 50s 60s

3213
01:57:27,430 --> 01:57:24,960
seventies we've got more to come with

3214
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:27,440
greg bishop and jean and chris you're in

3215
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:30,250
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3216
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3249
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3250
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3251
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3305
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3306
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3307
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3308
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3309
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3310
02:02:05,589 --> 02:02:02,550
all right we're getting to the end of

3311
02:02:07,669 --> 02:02:05,599
this but not by a long shot

3312
02:02:09,189 --> 02:02:07,679
you have a article you wrote here in

3313
02:02:12,310 --> 02:02:09,199
your book

3314
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:12,320
alien evolution alien motivation

3315
02:02:16,550 --> 02:02:14,880
and you start where you talk to

3316
02:02:20,470 --> 02:02:16,560
you're gonna have to remind me what i

3317
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:20,480
said okay dates 5 24 2007. on a

3318
02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:23,280
promotional tour for star trek 4

3319
02:02:27,270 --> 02:02:25,440
director leonard nimoy was asked if he

3320
02:02:29,750 --> 02:02:27,280
thought that whales who play a major

3321
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:29,760
role in the film story were ahead or

3322
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:34,320
behind us in the evolutionary continuum

3323
02:02:38,310 --> 02:02:36,480
and you talk about his answer

3324
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:38,320
yeah well his answer was

3325
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:40,400
he didn't he thought for a second i

3326
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:42,000
think this is a friend of mine that went

3327
02:02:45,350 --> 02:02:43,840
to the press junket and actually saw

3328
02:02:47,750 --> 02:02:45,360
nimoy say this

3329
02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:47,760
what he said was well how about we don't

3330
02:02:52,149 --> 02:02:49,760
think of them as be ahead of us or

3331
02:02:54,229 --> 02:02:52,159
behind us but off to the side

3332
02:02:55,589 --> 02:02:54,239
which to my mind if you're thinking i i

3333
02:02:56,870 --> 02:02:55,599
mentioned this a little you know earlier

3334
02:02:58,790 --> 02:02:56,880
in the interview

3335
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:58,800
people keep thinking that the aliens are

3336
02:03:01,990 --> 02:03:00,880
a hundred thousand years ahead of us or

3337
02:03:03,830 --> 02:03:02,000
whatever

3338
02:03:05,990 --> 02:03:03,840
well then you're already tracking them

3339
02:03:07,589 --> 02:03:06,000
into everything that you know already

3340
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:07,599
it's hard to track things into things

3341
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:08,800
you don't know

3342
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:10,800
but you know consider the fact that they

3343
02:03:14,709 --> 02:03:12,880
may have evolved their thought and their

3344
02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:14,719
bodies and everything on a completely

3345
02:03:18,629 --> 02:03:16,800
different track than we would expect in

3346
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:18,639
fact that's probably you know

3347
02:03:21,990 --> 02:03:20,480
if that if that happened it's almost a

3348
02:03:24,390 --> 02:03:22,000
certainty that they evolved along a

3349
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:24,400
track that we can't even comprehend

3350
02:03:29,030 --> 02:03:27,199
so if we can't comprehend that where

3351
02:03:31,270 --> 02:03:29,040
does that leave us it leaves us

3352
02:03:32,870 --> 02:03:31,280
goes back to my original idea of

3353
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:32,880
you know i think we're

3354
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:35,280
contributing far more to the ufo dance

3355
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,440
than we want to admit and that people

3356
02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:39,280
should probably be looking at you know

3357
02:03:44,229 --> 02:03:40,719
issues of

3358
02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:44,239
depth psychology uh folklore uh how

3359
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:46,480
memory works and all that

3360
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:48,400
and following that you know following

3361
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:50,560
that back to uh you know people's

3362
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:52,239
original reports and how those were

3363
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:54,239
encoded in their minds before they told

3364
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:55,440
them to us

3365
02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:57,360
burnt state on the forums he said

3366
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:58,719
something that was really important i

3367
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:59,599
thought

3368
02:04:02,310 --> 02:04:00,639
that

3369
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,320
people are not telling a story about

3370
02:04:06,149 --> 02:04:04,239
what happened to them what they're doing

3371
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:06,159
is telling you their memory of it and

3372
02:04:10,550 --> 02:04:07,760
every time they tell the story it's

3373
02:04:12,790 --> 02:04:10,560
going to change ever so slightly so what

3374
02:04:15,270 --> 02:04:12,800
we're dealing with is the memory and a

3375
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:15,280
memory is a is a notoriously imprecise

3376
02:04:17,030 --> 02:04:16,239
thing

3377
02:04:19,030 --> 02:04:17,040
so

3378
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:19,040
i i think we have to look at how we you

3379
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:20,960
know how how we deal with things and

3380
02:04:25,669 --> 02:04:23,280
what he also said a traumatic event a

3381
02:04:27,830 --> 02:04:25,679
ufo sighting is basically if it's close

3382
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:27,840
enough it's kind of a traumatic event

3383
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:30,000
you don't expect it it it completely

3384
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:31,760
throws you for a loop and you have

3385
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:33,040
something you've never encountered

3386
02:04:36,709 --> 02:04:34,639
before at least the majority of people

3387
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:36,719
that see these things close up

3388
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:38,719
and that becomes a traumatic event what

3389
02:04:43,430 --> 02:04:40,560
happens to people's brains when they

3390
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:43,440
have something happen to them that is

3391
02:04:47,350 --> 02:04:45,760
startling unexpected and

3392
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:47,360
whatever emotions or thoughts are going

3393
02:04:50,790 --> 02:04:49,040
through your mind when when that's going

3394
02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:50,800
on i think that's a really important

3395
02:04:54,149 --> 02:04:52,800
part of the puzzle and like you said

3396
02:04:56,070 --> 02:04:54,159
earlier gene that everybody's

3397
02:04:58,149 --> 02:04:56,080
concentrating on how high was it how

3398
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:58,159
fast it would go what color was it

3399
02:05:01,750 --> 02:04:59,840
that that's not nearly as important as

3400
02:05:03,750 --> 02:05:01,760
how to i think is how it affected the

3401
02:05:06,149 --> 02:05:03,760
person and how the person encoded that

3402
02:05:08,070 --> 02:05:06,159
experience uh for themselves and then

3403
02:05:10,310 --> 02:05:08,080
later telling it to other people you

3404
02:05:14,950 --> 02:05:10,320
have a section here in your book called

3405
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:14,960
objectivity as an enemy of ufo study

3406
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:16,159
yeah

3407
02:05:18,790 --> 02:05:17,599
i'm trying to remember what i wrote for

3408
02:05:21,350 --> 02:05:18,800
okay

3409
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:21,360
it relates to a short on-camera

3410
02:05:27,030 --> 02:05:24,560
interview you did with paul kimball

3411
02:05:29,510 --> 02:05:27,040
yeah what did i say i think it's

3412
02:05:30,870 --> 02:05:29,520
something like

3413
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:30,880
well you know what i've been going on

3414
02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:33,119
about it for most of the interview here

3415
02:05:37,030 --> 02:05:35,119
i think an objective view of the

3416
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:37,040
phenomenon is

3417
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:39,119
we've got enough of that it's all in the

3418
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,880
databases the subjective view is

3419
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:44,400
it's hard to get a handle on i don't

3420
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,960
even know how to how to um categorize

3421
02:05:51,990 --> 02:05:49,280
any of the subjective views but i think

3422
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,000
that the subjective view what happens to

3423
02:05:55,990 --> 02:05:54,159
people how it makes them feel how it

3424
02:05:57,910 --> 02:05:56,000
might change their lives

3425
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:57,920
you know how did it affect their

3426
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,599
interactions with other people or family

3427
02:06:03,669 --> 02:06:02,480
members or wives or husbands or

3428
02:06:04,709 --> 02:06:03,679
kids

3429
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:04,719
that

3430
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:07,360
has been ignored almost completely and i

3431
02:06:12,149 --> 02:06:10,480
think that might be a big part of the

3432
02:06:13,990 --> 02:06:12,159
a big part of solving the puzzle or

3433
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:14,000
bringing into a solution of the puzzle

3434
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:14,800
or

3435
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:17,199
even you know towards an understanding

3436
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:18,880
now here's one of the issues too you

3437
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:19,679
find

3438
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:21,679
you may actually get

3439
02:06:24,950 --> 02:06:23,280
a story about

3440
02:06:28,070 --> 02:06:24,960
what happened to someone's life like

3441
02:06:30,550 --> 02:06:28,080
dale sparr yeah for example he is the

3442
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:30,560
patrolman who chased ufos into another

3443
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:33,599
state it totally wrecked his life

3444
02:06:37,350 --> 02:06:35,679
there was an article called a ufo a

3445
02:06:39,109 --> 02:06:37,360
flying saucer called

3446
02:06:41,589 --> 02:06:39,119
harold or something like that because

3447
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:41,599
dale sparred decided to call it that

3448
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:43,520
it's a weird little news story i saw but

3449
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,760
go ahead well we had someone on the show

3450
02:06:50,229 --> 02:06:47,840
who wrote a book about strange things in

3451
02:06:52,390 --> 02:06:50,239
ohio and he talked with the son of dale

3452
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,400
sparr it was rather fascinating this is

3453
02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:54,480
a couple of years ago on the power cast

3454
02:06:58,709 --> 02:06:56,480
but the thing is here we report

3455
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:58,719
matter of factly

3456
02:07:01,830 --> 02:07:00,079
what happened to people how it might

3457
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:01,840
have changed their lives

3458
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,239
but we don't focus on what's going on to

3459
02:07:08,229 --> 02:07:06,400
change your life just seeing something

3460
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:08,239
strange in the sky

3461
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:11,520
there has to be more to it than that

3462
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:13,440
no no what what happened to the person

3463
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:15,360
afterwards how did it change their world

3464
02:07:20,629 --> 02:07:17,840
view how did it change their

3465
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:20,639
you know some people go crazy um dale

3466
02:07:24,390 --> 02:07:22,880
sparr actually i think he he

3467
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,400
ended up living by himself in an

3468
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:26,239
apartment somewhere and left his family

3469
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,719
and you know

3470
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,400
went crazy or died in obscurity or

3471
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:32,639
something he certainly certainly it cost

3472
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:34,480
him his job at the police department

3473
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,760
just like a few

3474
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:37,440
many other policemen who are involved in

3475
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:40,480
ufo cases not because of you know maybe

3476
02:07:44,069 --> 02:07:41,840
not even because of the ridicule or

3477
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,079
anything it's just because it the what's

3478
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:46,560
the word the uh cognitive dissonance

3479
02:07:51,589 --> 02:07:49,199
that that it presented them with

3480
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,599
scrambled their brains

3481
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:53,280
now just to

3482
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:55,280
present this okay

3483
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:56,560
the

3484
02:08:01,189 --> 02:07:58,639
book we're talking about

3485
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,199
is it came from ohio

3486
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:03,440
the guest was the guy wrote it james

3487
02:08:09,069 --> 02:08:07,119
renner this is june 14 2014 he talks

3488
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:09,079
about this case back in

3489
02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,400
1966 and like i said his insights were

3490
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:14,159
based on the fact that he talked to dale

3491
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:15,360
sparrow's son

3492
02:08:19,189 --> 02:08:17,119
about how the entire family was broken

3493
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:19,199
up you have to think about

3494
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,719
what is there

3495
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,119
about just seeing something in the sky

3496
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,520
or following something or having one of

3497
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:27,119
these experiences

3498
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:29,920
that causes such a personal

3499
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,560
impact on someone's life

3500
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:34,719
i'm not talking about a ufo abduction

3501
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:35,599
because

3502
02:08:38,870 --> 02:08:37,440
no when that happens

3503
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:38,880
i mean it

3504
02:08:44,550 --> 02:08:42,079
you know someone can go literally crazy

3505
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:44,560
and be really deeply impacted but just a

3506
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:46,239
light in the sky or

3507
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:48,719
maybe chasing a ufo

3508
02:08:52,280 --> 02:08:50,400
here's another quote ufos are here to

3509
02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:52,290
make us crazy

3510
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:54,560
[Laughter]

3511
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:56,480
and they do i mean

3512
02:09:00,310 --> 02:08:58,880
sometimes just reading about them can

3513
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:00,320
affect your life and that's happened to

3514
02:09:02,950 --> 02:09:01,440
a lot of us

3515
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,960
i don't know what direction my life

3516
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,880
would have taken if i hadn't read that

3517
02:09:08,629 --> 02:09:06,560
book that my brother

3518
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:08,639
the guy who went on long john once

3519
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:11,760
conveniently put on his coffee table

3520
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:13,440
left it there

3521
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and while he was at work i visited his

3522
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home and his wife

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gave me permission to take it home it

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was a library book

3525
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flying saucers from outer space by major

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donald kehoe

3527
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i never knew him to be that much

3528
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interested in the subject he was

3529
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somewhat interested but he tried to play

3530
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3531
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i think partly because

3533
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that's why he didn't want to go back on

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long john again

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that

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we have greg bishop and he has an

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it defies language

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3662
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that's polly bishop

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who now wants his cracker because it's

3664
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getting late and he needs his

3665
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ice cream or pizza or whatever he's

3666
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gonna have for dinner what are you gonna

3667
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have for dinner

3668
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:16,079
uh probably pizza we had some last night

3669
02:15:19,270 --> 02:15:18,159
what i do is i freeze the pizza and i

3670
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put it in the

3671
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and then i can all i have to do is take

3672
02:15:24,950 --> 02:15:22,000
it out and put it in the toaster and

3673
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:24,960
it's called pizza bank

3674
02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:27,199
so i make a large uh

3675
02:15:31,109 --> 02:15:29,199
deposit when we first buy the pizza with

3676
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the leftovers and then i just make small

3677
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small withdrawals over the next few days

3678
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:35,199
from the pizza bank

3679
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:38,560
okay so what pizza place is this

3680
02:15:43,669 --> 02:15:42,000
larocco's pizza in culver city which is

3681
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,679
incredibly good it's one of the few

3682
02:15:47,270 --> 02:15:45,599
decent pizza places i've been making

3683
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:47,280
pizza myself i bought a little pizza

3684
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stone to put in the oven and all that

3685
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they come out great go have a pro make

3686
02:15:55,750 --> 02:15:52,719
it once in a while do you toss your

3687
02:15:57,510 --> 02:15:55,760
pizza and everything no i roll it out um

3688
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:57,520
as thin as possible and then you know

3689
02:16:01,350 --> 02:15:59,360
put all the toppings on it and i make my

3690
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own tomato sauce by taking

3691
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canned italian tomatoes putting them in

3692
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a blender and putting in like some

3693
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italian herbs and some salt and a little

3694
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:08,719
bit of

3695
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:11,280
olive oil makes a great pizza sauce you

3696
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know here's the thing that's like new

3697
02:16:17,750 --> 02:16:15,360
york style pizza the thin crust yes i

3698
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,760
like chicken crust okay i like thick

3699
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crust and you know what pizza i like

3700
02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:21,760
people are gonna think i'm crazy there's

3701
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:24,480
a deep deep dish pizza from

3702
02:16:30,069 --> 02:16:27,119
little caesars like five dollars you go

3703
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:30,079
to a little caesars or like a kmart has

3704
02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:32,559
a little caesars section yeah five

3705
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:34,960
dollars you get four small slices plus a

3706
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:36,719
drink okay

3707
02:16:40,549 --> 02:16:38,000
yeah now

3708
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,559
a deep dish pizza is kind of like a

3709
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:42,639
sicilian pizza from new york that's a

3710
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:45,040
deep dish pizza it's very similar to it

3711
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:46,960
yeah and this is really good maybe it's

3712
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:49,200
because in this one store all across

3713
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,359
america and the world they make it right

3714
02:16:55,830 --> 02:16:53,519
but i really like that pizza as much as

3715
02:16:58,389 --> 02:16:55,840
any kind i get and i of course being

3716
02:16:59,830 --> 02:16:58,399
from new york have tasted the best pizza

3717
02:17:01,910 --> 02:16:59,840
i don't know why we're talking about

3718
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pizza because it's important pizza is

3719
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it's a lot of people's favorite food and

3720
02:17:11,669 --> 02:17:09,200
i like it very much i've got this weird

3721
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:11,679
thing i'm since i've been laid off like

3722
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about a year and a half ago and trying

3723
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:15,359
to do this thing with the writing and

3724
02:17:19,110 --> 02:17:16,960
all that i'm exceedingly poor or at

3725
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:19,120
least by my standards i'm i'm poor and

3726
02:17:21,750 --> 02:17:20,240
i'm trying to be very cheap with

3727
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:21,760
everything the only thing i'm not cheap

3728
02:17:24,870 --> 02:17:23,920
on is food because if i don't have good

3729
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:24,880
food

3730
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,280
can do without you know another book or

3731
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:31,679
i can do without you know some gadget or

3732
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:33,040
you know a trip somewhere or whatever

3733
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:34,559
but i can't do without good food

3734
02:17:37,830 --> 02:17:36,559
otherwise everything's lost i've always

3735
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,840
been like that i've been cooking since i

3736
02:17:42,309 --> 02:17:40,080
was eight years old well i don't cook

3737
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:42,319
that much i can make a pretty mean steak

3738
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:44,160
but what i do of course i've been going

3739
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through being poor and old which is not

3740
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fun to be poor and old especially in the

3741
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usa where they just want to send you out

3742
02:17:54,070 --> 02:17:52,399
the pasture i must be living in the

3743
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wrong country yeah i know i'm heading

3744
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for that in about next 20 years or so i

3745
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got to watch it well okay i've been

3746
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there already i've done that but what i

3747
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do is i go find the progreso soup for

3748
02:18:07,910 --> 02:18:05,599
about a dollar and a half if you find it

3749
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:07,920
on sale that's pretty good i think it's

3750
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thicker

3751
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:11,519
and better flavor than a lot of the

3752
02:18:16,709 --> 02:18:14,559
canned soups you can find banquet

3753
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tv dinners for like a dollar twenty or a

3754
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,559
dollar fifteen each

3755
02:18:23,190 --> 02:18:20,960
i don't go so much into the one dollar

3756
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:23,200
specials at

3757
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:24,559
mcdonald's because i think it's just

3758
02:18:27,349 --> 02:18:25,840
really bad

3759
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:27,359
yeah well i go to over the farmer's

3760
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:29,120
market and i buy

3761
02:18:32,549 --> 02:18:30,800
probably not the cheapest produce but i

3762
02:18:34,549 --> 02:18:32,559
buy fresh produce and then i basically

3763
02:18:36,549 --> 02:18:34,559
just walk over there um or ride my

3764
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:36,559
scooter over there it's like let's grab

3765
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:38,000
a bunch of stuff and see what i can make

3766
02:18:41,750 --> 02:18:40,160
with it and it usually turns out okay

3767
02:18:44,309 --> 02:18:41,760
i've been making really nice italian

3768
02:18:46,389 --> 02:18:44,319
salads with um with smoked prosciutto in

3769
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:46,399
them it's delicious well i'll tell you

3770
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:48,880
what you do next time you're in arizona

3771
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:50,719
bake a pizza

3772
02:18:55,750 --> 02:18:52,479
it wouldn't stay frozen though long

3773
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:55,760
enough no no it wouldn't work or or if

3774
02:19:00,309 --> 02:18:58,240
you get a hotel room with a small stove

3775
02:19:02,309 --> 02:19:00,319
or something you can make it here bring

3776
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:02,319
the ingredients over to my place

3777
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:05,359
okay make us a pizza i'll do that

3778
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:07,679
okay yeah that's the way to do it at

3779
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:10,000
least your wife works right yes she does

3780
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:12,160
she's a children's librarian and now

3781
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:13,840
she's working for two

3782
02:19:17,910 --> 02:19:16,000
yeah no i mean i'm holding up my end of

3783
02:19:20,309 --> 02:19:17,920
it i work for coast to coast so that's a

3784
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:20,319
little bit of income and i do some real

3785
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:22,319
estate apartment management and that's

3786
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:23,760
work for what

3787
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:25,120
for that show

3788
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:27,280
you do what do you do for them uh web

3789
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:28,639
work

3790
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:31,120
oh okay no no i don't i don't choose the

3791
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,040
guests i have nothing to do with what

3792
02:19:38,309 --> 02:19:35,679
they do it's i basically support

3793
02:19:40,150 --> 02:19:38,319
i help them you know create the website

3794
02:19:43,449 --> 02:19:40,160
okay so if there's a problem are you

3795
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:43,459
shocked stunned and and insulted now

3796
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:44,960
[Laughter]

3797
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:48,160
it's a website it's money who cares yeah

3798
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:49,840
yeah it's it's it's not a lot of money

3799
02:19:53,349 --> 02:19:51,600
but as as i've you know as i got laid

3800
02:19:54,630 --> 02:19:53,359
off my post-production job i realize i'm

3801
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,640
gonna have to have all kinds of little

3802
02:19:58,950 --> 02:19:57,040
streams of um income the other thing i'm

3803
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:58,960
trying to do is fly drones for money and

3804
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:00,960
um i just actually got a message today

3805
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,319
saying that there might be a job coming

3806
02:20:05,750 --> 02:20:04,000
up here in the next couple of days which

3807
02:20:08,469 --> 02:20:05,760
is unfortunate because i won't be here

3808
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:08,479
for a few days i'll be in dallas

3809
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:09,920
why dallas

3810
02:20:13,590 --> 02:20:12,160
uh a fan of the show decided that he

3811
02:20:15,190 --> 02:20:13,600
wanted to fly me out there to talk to

3812
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:15,200
people um

3813
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:17,040
and i said i do it and it's turned into

3814
02:20:20,389 --> 02:20:19,200
a it's turned into a gathering

3815
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,399
i think there's probably gonna be about

3816
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:22,240
30 of us there and it's basically just

3817
02:20:24,710 --> 02:20:23,439
me and a few other people are just going

3818
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:24,720
to talk a little bit and then we're just

3819
02:20:27,830 --> 02:20:26,080
going to go and do stuff like go to

3820
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:27,840
restaurants and go to dealey plaza and

3821
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:29,760
go to the assassination museum it's just

3822
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:31,359
basically a bunch of fans and friends

3823
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:33,359
getting together and hanging out

3824
02:20:37,030 --> 02:20:34,880
hey you'll come back to the show and

3825
02:20:38,870 --> 02:20:37,040
you'll talk about it i'm jealous

3826
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:38,880
i like dallas i went to dallas once or

3827
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,080
twice

3828
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:42,240
and i kind of like the place

3829
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:45,040
so i like it you i've been there once um

3830
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:47,760
i stayed with a friend and um

3831
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:49,520
we went to the assassination museum we

3832
02:20:53,590 --> 02:20:51,760
also went to the conspiracy museum which

3833
02:20:57,270 --> 02:20:53,600
doesn't exist anymore

3834
02:20:59,190 --> 02:20:57,280
um but yeah it it it is a fun place to

3835
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,200
visit and i'm looking forward to it i'm

3836
02:21:04,389 --> 02:21:01,680
leaving tomorrow

3837
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:04,399
actually what he's doing he's leaving

3838
02:21:07,510 --> 02:21:06,080
a couple of days ago when you hear the

3839
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:07,520
show on a sunday because we're doing it

3840
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:10,560
on a wednesday evening yes

3841
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:12,160
so i know that doesn't make sense let's

3842
02:21:16,710 --> 02:21:14,319
get back to our crazy business here okay

3843
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:16,720
okay so in your essays

3844
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:18,479
you're talking about a lot of weird

3845
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:21,280
stuff and not so weird stuff about some

3846
02:21:27,030 --> 02:21:23,920
fascinating people over the years at the

3847
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:27,040
end of the day if you're deciding what

3848
02:21:31,670 --> 02:21:29,359
to do for the next 20 years to

3849
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:31,680
get a handle on all this

3850
02:21:37,990 --> 02:21:34,640
and try to come to some realistic

3851
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:38,000
conclusions not just unproven theories

3852
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:39,680
what do you do what is greg bishop going

3853
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:42,080
to do or does it matter

3854
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:46,790
my i don't really have a plan the only

3855
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:50,080
plan is to go where my my inspiration

3856
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:52,479
and thoughts take me and talk to people

3857
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:55,200
who i can learn something from um and

3858
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,920
then above all that is to

3859
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,240
is to have fun i mean talking to people

3860
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,479
about this is fun and then you find out

3861
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:04,000
most people that are into it are fairly

3862
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:05,520
intelligent they can talk to you about a

3863
02:22:08,790 --> 02:22:06,720
lot of things

3864
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:08,800
so you know i

3865
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:10,560
it's it's just a journey it's going to

3866
02:22:13,990 --> 02:22:11,760
take me you know it's going to take me

3867
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:14,000
the rest of my life and maybe i'll learn

3868
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,000
something uh maybe i'll maybe i'll

3869
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:18,000
discover something and or maybe i won't

3870
02:22:22,630 --> 02:22:20,720
but in the meantime you know i i get to

3871
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:22,640
do things like talk to you and chris and

3872
02:22:24,630 --> 02:22:23,840
other people and

3873
02:22:26,790 --> 02:22:24,640
um

3874
02:22:28,309 --> 02:22:26,800
you know heroes of mine will will talk

3875
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:28,319
to me which is amazing and stuff like

3876
02:22:30,950 --> 02:22:29,920
that i mean it's uh

3877
02:22:32,710 --> 02:22:30,960
so i guess what i'm saying is the

3878
02:22:34,469 --> 02:22:32,720
journey is very important i don't know

3879
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:34,479
what i don't know what the uh i don't

3880
02:22:38,630 --> 02:22:36,160
know what the goal is the goal is to

3881
02:22:40,309 --> 02:22:38,640
have fun and to learn things

3882
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:40,319
okay i discovered something about the

3883
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coast to coast am site

3884
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coast to coast am.com

3885
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you're

3886
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hosted on godaddy

3887
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they are really well if you trace back

3888
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:53,520
the ip numbers they're owned by godaddy

3889
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,640
oh okay yeah and just to

3890
02:23:01,429 --> 02:22:58,880
point something out

3891
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:01,439
i'm about 30 minute drive from the

3892
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international headquarters of godaddy

3893
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right i do not use them

3894
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:08,800
okay

3895
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i heard some people use them i don't i

3896
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use in motion hosting and they're fine

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i've been they've been treated me fine

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and it's not that expensive and they're

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really helpful when i talk to them on

3900
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:19,200
the phone so

3901
02:23:23,110 --> 02:23:20,640
seriously speaking let's get back to

3902
02:23:25,990 --> 02:23:23,120
some serious stuff here okay

3903
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:26,000
what is there about ufos that people are

3904
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:28,319
just getting wrong is it the

3905
02:23:33,910 --> 02:23:31,359
instant assumption that it's gotta be et

3906
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:33,920
it's e-t-e-t before we have the answer

3907
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:35,439
because we have one more segment i want

3908
02:23:39,429 --> 02:23:37,520
to hold this for the cliffhanger a lot

3909
02:23:41,110 --> 02:23:39,439
of tv series now are

3910
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:41,120
reaching their summer hiatus so if

3911
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:42,800
they're renewed next year they'll leave

3912
02:23:48,469 --> 02:23:45,200
a cliffhanger on the final episode and

3913
02:23:49,830 --> 02:23:48,479
you have to wait until the fall to see

3914
02:23:51,990 --> 02:23:49,840
what really happened to your favorite

3915
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:52,000
characters if they'll still be alive

3916
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:53,840
if your favorite superheroes will get

3917
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out of the jam with the super hero

3918
02:23:59,830 --> 02:23:57,920
villain of the week or something like

3919
02:24:02,950 --> 02:23:59,840
that i have no idea go to

3920
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learn about the powercast plus with

3921
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after the powercast our exclusive

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we've got

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greg bishop with gene and chris you're

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in

3929
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[Music]

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all right you're about to say

4037
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i started a cliffhanger where i started

4038
02:29:39,670 --> 02:29:37,520
to joke if you want to be that way

4039
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okay what the cliffhanger was

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oh people get into it and what the

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mistake that they might make

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right what the fact that people get into

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and something attracts them a case a

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show whatever what are the worst

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mistakes they make assuming immediately

4047
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e-t-e-t

4048
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um i think the mistake most people make

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is a mistake most people make about

4050
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anything is that they have a

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preconception and they stick to it

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or that the first thing they hear is the

4053
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:06,080
thing that they stick to

4054
02:30:08,790 --> 02:30:06,960
um

4055
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:08,800
i i think with any strange thing

4056
02:30:12,790 --> 02:30:11,359
especially in a subject especially ufos

4057
02:30:18,070 --> 02:30:12,800
it is

4058
02:30:19,750 --> 02:30:18,080
not only look at gather more information

4059
02:30:21,510 --> 02:30:19,760
on what you think you're looking for but

4060
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:21,520
gather information on

4061
02:30:24,469 --> 02:30:23,200
things that you think that you might not

4062
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:24,479
agree with

4063
02:30:29,190 --> 02:30:26,880
or that just they don't seem to be on

4064
02:30:31,750 --> 02:30:29,200
them properly even properly on the map

4065
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:31,760
so that this crazy wisdom approach i

4066
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:33,920
think is uh is one of the only things

4067
02:30:37,110 --> 02:30:35,920
you can do when you when you get a ufo

4068
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:37,120
subject and the other

4069
02:30:42,230 --> 02:30:39,760
one is um the reason that this magazine

4070
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:42,240
was called excluded middle is because

4071
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:44,000
um if you're not careful you're gonna go

4072
02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:46,479
to you're gonna go to some extreme we

4073
02:30:49,990 --> 02:30:48,000
used to think it was a believer or the

4074
02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:50,000
the skeptic or the you know

4075
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:52,640
doctrinaire or fundamentalist skeptic

4076
02:30:56,230 --> 02:30:53,760
but there's

4077
02:30:58,070 --> 02:30:56,240
there's all kinds of shades of different

4078
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:58,080
you know uh

4079
02:31:02,389 --> 02:31:00,319
extremism the minute you start moving

4080
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:02,399
towards extremism is when you stop

4081
02:31:05,670 --> 02:31:04,080
learning and if you stop learning you

4082
02:31:07,190 --> 02:31:05,680
might as well not be in the subject in

4083
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,200
fact if you're living and you stop

4084
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:08,960
learning you might as not well

4085
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:11,280
you know that's like being brain dead

4086
02:31:15,590 --> 02:31:12,240
so

4087
02:31:17,349 --> 02:31:15,600
open mind learn and and pull information

4088
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:17,359
in and uh

4089
02:31:22,070 --> 02:31:19,359
form your own ideas make your own crazy

4090
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:22,080
ideas and see what you can do with them

4091
02:31:25,190 --> 02:31:23,600
i just wait for somebody to say

4092
02:31:28,469 --> 02:31:25,200
something completely insane that's

4093
02:31:30,630 --> 02:31:28,479
that's that's totally original and um

4094
02:31:33,030 --> 02:31:30,640
and fun and intelligent and

4095
02:31:34,790 --> 02:31:33,040
when that happens it you know it's it's

4096
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:34,800
it's all worth it even it's only if it's

4097
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:36,880
only for a little while you know

4098
02:31:40,550 --> 02:31:38,479
well jim mosley

4099
02:31:43,190 --> 02:31:40,560
often said that what interested him most

4100
02:31:44,710 --> 02:31:43,200
about ufos was not the sightings

4101
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,720
but the people

4102
02:31:48,469 --> 02:31:46,720
yes and there were so many stories about

4103
02:31:49,910 --> 02:31:48,479
the people and he got along with a lot

4104
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:49,920
of unusual people you would never

4105
02:31:54,150 --> 02:31:52,720
believe like dr frank strangers who had

4106
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,160
some crazy

4107
02:31:58,550 --> 02:31:56,640
contacts with this guy named valiant

4108
02:32:00,630 --> 02:31:58,560
thor

4109
02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:00,640
strange is yeah a year before he died he

4110
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:02,880
was a lot of fun i gave him a copy of a

4111
02:32:08,469 --> 02:32:05,920
record that he put out in 1967 for that

4112
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:08,479
phenomena 7.7 i had two of them and i

4113
02:32:13,110 --> 02:32:10,800
gave him one okay

4114
02:32:14,309 --> 02:32:13,120
yeah it was fun but yeah you mostly said

4115
02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:14,319
that to me too when i interviewed him

4116
02:32:16,950 --> 02:32:15,120
because

4117
02:32:18,950 --> 02:32:16,960
you can't really solve the problem what

4118
02:32:20,790 --> 02:32:18,960
you're left with is with is the people

4119
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,800
from his point of view and the people

4120
02:32:24,389 --> 02:32:22,399
are are what make it and the people are

4121
02:32:26,309 --> 02:32:24,399
what's interesting and you know that's

4122
02:32:28,550 --> 02:32:26,319
another aspect of it too yeah most

4123
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:28,560
definitely mostly it was a it had a huge

4124
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:30,880
effect on a lot of people including me

4125
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:32,960
funny about mosley

4126
02:32:39,110 --> 02:32:35,520
i was visiting a bookstore when i was a

4127
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,120
teenager samuel weiser in new york city

4128
02:32:43,910 --> 02:32:41,840
this is a famous place where they had

4129
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:43,920
books on all subjects especially the

4130
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:45,439
paranormal

4131
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:48,080
and they had lots of closeouts so i go

4132
02:32:51,349 --> 02:32:49,680
in the afternoon after school i'd go

4133
02:32:54,389 --> 02:32:51,359
over here

4134
02:32:57,830 --> 02:32:54,399
samuel weiser yeah and i buy a closeout

4135
02:33:00,230 --> 02:32:57,840
ufo book or i noticed one time on the

4136
02:33:02,230 --> 02:33:00,240
racks saucer news

4137
02:33:03,830 --> 02:33:02,240
and i bought it and one time i just

4138
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:03,840
wrote a letter i typed a letter out and

4139
02:33:09,110 --> 02:33:06,560
mailed it in snail mail to jim mosley

4140
02:33:10,790 --> 02:33:09,120
and my phone number was listed

4141
02:33:12,150 --> 02:33:10,800
steinberg in brooklyn new york and he

4142
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:12,160
calls me and

4143
02:33:15,830 --> 02:33:13,760
you know he knew i was a young person

4144
02:33:18,309 --> 02:33:15,840
but over time we became

4145
02:33:21,590 --> 02:33:18,319
close friends and a few years later my

4146
02:33:22,710 --> 02:33:21,600
first full-time job was as the managing

4147
02:33:24,309 --> 02:33:22,720
editor

4148
02:33:27,990 --> 02:33:24,319
of saucer news

4149
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:30,230
i was earning five dollars an hour the

4150
02:33:34,550 --> 02:33:32,080
minimum wage was like a dollar a dollar

4151
02:33:36,469 --> 02:33:34,560
and a quarter so i was well paid so

4152
02:33:38,309 --> 02:33:36,479
imagine the comparison the minimum wage

4153
02:33:39,830 --> 02:33:38,319
now is what eight dollars an hour

4154
02:33:41,429 --> 02:33:39,840
something like that it'd be the

4155
02:33:42,870 --> 02:33:41,439
equivalent of earning forty dollars an

4156
02:33:45,349 --> 02:33:42,880
hour

4157
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:45,359
plus so i was pretty well paid yeah i

4158
02:33:50,710 --> 02:33:46,880
didn't realize it until i went into

4159
02:33:52,469 --> 02:33:50,720
broadcasting and took a massive pay cut

4160
02:33:54,389 --> 02:33:52,479
broadcasting doesn't pay well not unless

4161
02:33:55,429 --> 02:33:54,399
you own the station

4162
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:55,439
well i don't want to tell you about the

4163
02:33:59,670 --> 02:33:57,920
dollars and having a network radio show

4164
02:34:01,590 --> 02:33:59,680
i mean between this and the tech night

4165
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:01,600
owl live we have over 40 stations

4166
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:03,040
carrying us

4167
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:05,200
it means a lot we should be rolling in

4168
02:34:08,010 --> 02:34:06,479
money

4169
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:08,020
ha ha ho ho

4170
02:34:11,830 --> 02:34:09,920
[Laughter]

4171
02:34:13,110 --> 02:34:11,840
yeah by the time you get to the end of

4172
02:34:14,950 --> 02:34:13,120
that trail

4173
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:14,960
there's a bunch of crumbs left that's

4174
02:34:18,469 --> 02:34:16,560
kind of what i tried to avoid with going

4175
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:18,479
with a traditional publisher so we'll

4176
02:34:22,389 --> 02:34:19,920
see what happens

4177
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:22,399
well the crumbs are they give you

4178
02:34:26,309 --> 02:34:24,720
a certain number of minutes per hour to

4179
02:34:28,630 --> 02:34:26,319
run commercials

4180
02:34:31,190 --> 02:34:28,640
these your own commercials they're not

4181
02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:31,200
the network commercials for which you're

4182
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:34,000
not reimbursed whatever you make from

4183
02:34:38,150 --> 02:34:35,520
those commercials

4184
02:34:39,270 --> 02:34:38,160
that's your income ah yeah

4185
02:34:41,030 --> 02:34:39,280
so you know there's a lot of

4186
02:34:42,309 --> 02:34:41,040
justification in publishing a book

4187
02:34:43,670 --> 02:34:42,319
yourself

4188
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:43,680
it really is

4189
02:34:48,550 --> 02:34:45,520
the reason that it's not up on amazon

4190
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:48,560
yet is because amazon what i get in

4191
02:34:53,190 --> 02:34:50,399
payment from lulu which is the print on

4192
02:34:55,990 --> 02:34:53,200
demand right now is basically six or

4193
02:34:58,469 --> 02:34:56,000
seven times what i make on amazon so in

4194
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:58,479
a couple of weeks um i will probably put

4195
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,000
the thing up on amazon but for right now

4196
02:35:03,910 --> 02:35:03,120
i'm trying to keep it on lulu and uh you

4197
02:35:06,070 --> 02:35:03,920
know

4198
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:06,080
in subsequent interviews after this with

4199
02:35:08,790 --> 02:35:07,120
eugene

4200
02:35:11,510 --> 02:35:08,800
after a couple weeks from now sometime

4201
02:35:13,910 --> 02:35:11,520
in the middle of uh april i will put it

4202
02:35:16,309 --> 02:35:13,920
on amazon because i will have reached

4203
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:16,319
saturation at people who will buy it off

4204
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,800
lulu which it's not you know i guess it

4205
02:35:22,870 --> 02:35:20,800
freaks some people out it's not amazon

4206
02:35:24,790 --> 02:35:22,880
so they don't trust it but everybody's

4207
02:35:27,510 --> 02:35:24,800
been getting their books you know

4208
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:27,520
on time and and they look nice and all

4209
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:28,560
that so

4210
02:35:32,070 --> 02:35:29,840
generally people are happy with it it's

4211
02:35:33,830 --> 02:35:32,080
just that it's it's not it's not a large

4212
02:35:35,190 --> 02:35:33,840
distributor like amazon amazon's like

4213
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,200
the elephant in the room you can't

4214
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:37,359
really deny them so i'm gonna deny them

4215
02:35:41,110 --> 02:35:38,640
for another two weeks and then it's

4216
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:41,120
going up on amazon now

4217
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:43,840
one of the books i wrote i used an

4218
02:35:48,790 --> 02:35:46,640
editorial service from lulu to do the

4219
02:35:51,110 --> 02:35:48,800
copy editing and such yeah and was

4220
02:35:53,190 --> 02:35:51,120
pretty good they did a really good job

4221
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:53,200
and you know i went back and did some

4222
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:56,240
further changes because that's in me but

4223
02:36:01,110 --> 02:35:59,040
i thought was really good so in the next

4224
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:01,120
minute or minute and a half for those

4225
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,960
who are curious about greg bishop and

4226
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:04,640
you've listened to him on this episode

4227
02:36:08,790 --> 02:36:06,640
of the power cast and hopefully

4228
02:36:09,990 --> 02:36:08,800
previously what can you tell our

4229
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:10,000
listeners

4230
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,479
about it defies language

4231
02:36:17,349 --> 02:36:14,960
to make them want to go out and go right

4232
02:36:20,230 --> 02:36:17,359
to lulu and buy a copy before it goes on

4233
02:36:23,510 --> 02:36:20,240
amazon and you don't make as much money

4234
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:23,520
because i need the money one and two

4235
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,960
what you said earlier about you know

4236
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:26,479
what do you see coming up and how do you

4237
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:28,080
approach this and all that that is

4238
02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:31,120
encoded in the book i am curious

4239
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,840
i want to hear new things from people i

4240
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:35,520
want to deal with ideas that i haven't

4241
02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:38,720
heard before i want to

4242
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:40,960
tell you about funny people i've met

4243
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:42,960
weird government people that scared me

4244
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,040
or inspired me and there's a couple of

4245
02:36:48,710 --> 02:36:47,040
chapters on theory and opinion with with

4246
02:36:49,750 --> 02:36:48,720
things that i either barely heard or

4247
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:49,760
i've heard

4248
02:36:53,030 --> 02:36:51,200
discussed a little bit and i wanted to

4249
02:36:54,550 --> 02:36:53,040
bring them out in the open

4250
02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:54,560
and also and get people talking about

4251
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,760
them because a lot of the stuff came

4252
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:57,600
from a website which has been defunct

4253
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:59,280
for a long time now and you can't even

4254
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:01,760
access it anymore with a few new things

4255
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:03,520
and the last chapter has to deal with a

4256
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,600
very a subject close to my heart which

4257
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:07,439
is the alien writing thing

4258
02:37:11,910 --> 02:37:10,240
uh writing and script and and symbols

4259
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:11,920
that people say came from angels or

4260
02:37:16,469 --> 02:37:14,160
aliens or whatever and what what

4261
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,479
implications that might have um so

4262
02:37:19,990 --> 02:37:18,479
basically it's just it's a kind of a

4263
02:37:22,070 --> 02:37:20,000
smorgasbord of

4264
02:37:23,590 --> 02:37:22,080
everything i've been into for the almost

4265
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:23,600
the entire time i've been writing about

4266
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:26,080
this and sort of where my thinking is

4267
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:27,920
about it now there's a couple new essays

4268
02:37:32,550 --> 02:37:30,479
one called um ufos is a cosmic art

4269
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:32,560
project part two the co-creation

4270
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:35,040
hypothesis which i was really happy

4271
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:37,680
how it came out and i want people to uh

4272
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:38,880
comment on it and tell me what they

4273
02:37:43,510 --> 02:37:41,280
think where did they find the copy go to

4274
02:37:45,750 --> 02:37:43,520
lulu.com and put in either greg bishop

4275
02:37:48,710 --> 02:37:45,760
or it defies language or you can go to

4276
02:37:51,110 --> 02:37:48,720
it defies language.com i actually got

4277
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,120
the domain um and there's links there

4278
02:37:56,150 --> 02:37:54,240
for lulu and also for i've got a a bunch

4279
02:37:57,750 --> 02:37:56,160
here at home and i will send them signed

4280
02:38:00,710 --> 02:37:57,760
copies with whatever they want written

4281
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:00,720
in it that can be dangerous folks you

4282
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:02,399
can find us on twitter look for the

4283
02:38:06,230 --> 02:38:04,880
powercast on twitter look for the

4284
02:38:08,150 --> 02:38:06,240
powercast

4285
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:08,160
on twitter on facebook there are two

4286
02:38:13,110 --> 02:38:09,920
powercast fan clubs don't ask me to

4287
02:38:14,870 --> 02:38:13,120
explain that we have a second radio show

4288
02:38:17,750 --> 02:38:14,880
not just a tech show a second paranormal

4289
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:17,760
radio show called after the power cast

4290
02:38:22,150 --> 02:38:19,760
exclusive for those who were members of

4291
02:38:23,670 --> 02:38:22,160
the power cast plus yet after the power

4292
02:38:25,910 --> 02:38:23,680
cast you get the enhanced version of

4293
02:38:28,070 --> 02:38:25,920
this show without the network ads for

4294
02:38:30,910 --> 02:38:28,080
which we get no money anyway you also

4295
02:38:33,349 --> 02:38:30,920
get show transcripts and more go to

4296
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:33,359
plus.theparacast.com we look forward to

4297
02:38:37,270 --> 02:38:35,520
your membership craig bishop

4298
02:38:38,790 --> 02:38:37,280
i wish you the best of luck with this

4299
02:38:41,030 --> 02:38:38,800
new book thanks for joining us on the

4300
02:38:45,540 --> 02:38:41,040
powercast thanks so much for having me

4301
02:38:55,990 --> 02:38:52,600
[Music]

4302
02:39:01,590 --> 02:38:58,950
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4303
02:39:04,550 --> 02:39:01,600
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4304
02:39:06,309 --> 02:39:04,560
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4305
02:39:10,469 --> 02:39:06,319
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